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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Letter amended and posted today.

 

Arrived home tonight and in post today DN issued from Mercers!!!!

 

If I didn't have the knowledge of CAG this would really have bothered me, how would I have had any clue who Mercers are and how can Barclays act this way?

 

I will scan it and post it here tomorrow, but they have got the remedy date wrong! Why am I not surprised?

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Letter amended and posted today.

 

Arrived home tonight and in post today DN issued from Mercers!!!!

 

If I didn't have the knowledge of CAG this would really have bothered me, how would I have had any clue who Mercers are and how can Barclays act this way?

 

I will scan it and post it here tomorrow, but they have got the remedy date wrong! Why am I not surprised?

 

 

hiya dotty well mercers did that to me too, and yet it dont show on the credit file and no dn ever has shown to date - so i think it will be just a scare tactic and also im pretty sure mine really wasnt typed up in the way a proper DN should show :wink:

 

im sure others will come along and give further guidance but wanted to let you know my experience hope it helps

 

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Hi Angel,

 

Thanks for that information, it's so annoying that they do this after my OH sent in an I & E and pro-rata offer, they would have had payments by now!

 

Guess it's their prerogative to hassle and stress people out even when a reasonable payment has been offered!

 

Very interesting what you say about CRA's , will keep an eye on them.

 

This is the DN, it was posted 1st Royal mail, so I make date on service 2nd June and 14 clear days = 16th June (I think). They want payment before 14th June which is a Monday so effectively giving only 9 days to remedy!

 

Does anyone know if they Terminate?

Mercers DN - with deletions.pdf

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Hi Angel,

 

Thanks for that information, it's so annoying that they do this after my OH sent in an I & E and pro-rata offer, they would have had payments by now!

 

Guess it's their prerogative to hassle and stress people out even when a reasonable payment has been offered!

 

Very interesting what you say about CRA's , will keep an eye on them.

 

This is the DN, it was posted 1st Royal mail, so I make date on service 2nd June and 14 clear days = 16th June (I think). They want payment before 14th June which is a Monday so effectively giving only 9 days to remedy!

 

Does anyone know if they Terminate?

 

 

You are right that they have not given you sufficient time, the Bank Holiday helped out too!

 

I also think that a DN has to contain the name and address of the original creditor, which this DN doesnt.

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This details how a DN should be worded and presented .

 

http://www.johnpughschambers.co.uk/Consumer%20Credit%20(Enforcement,%20Default%20and%20Termination%20Notices)%20Regulations%201983.pdf

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Thank you for that link Geoffrey I will have a read through.

 

Schedule 2 Para 2.1 I think is the relevant line.

 

 

Page 5 on my earlier link

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Hello Again Dotty:

 

Sorry I have not been back for a couple of weeks.

 

I see you are still having problems with our friends, Mercers (B/C).Following on:-

 

As I said to you earlier...."send a letter to Mercers stating that the figure you are paying is £?. Tell them to please note that this is the maximum payment you are in a position to pay. Tell them also..(.please note that in the interests of keeping an amicable relationship that I require all contact regarding this account to be in writing only. Please take note that under no circumstances will any other form of contact be acceptable. You should take careful note that under no circumstances will any 'phone calls be accepted by me).)

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If you can Dotty, or have not, set up a "Standing Order" with your Bank for the £1 or whatever and advise Mercers in the letter that the date of this payable monthly will be......??? .

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I have just had another "DN" exactly like yours Dotty. Just let them hang themselves and ignore it for now. If they terminate this will be known by when you receive a demand for the full balance. Then, if the DN is faulty on days then you can send them a "Unlawful Rescission" letter.

 

Repeat! Just sit and wait regards the DN.

(b) Send that letter as above suggestion if I were you .(I did that) and all the calls have now stopped. They have stated though they are applying interest again because I won't pay them a minimum of £5. That is what the DN notice is for £12 arrears!!!!.

 

Let me know how you get on. Whatever you do, as Geoffrey and friends have said...do NOT let them work you up! They enjoy that and will harrass you all the more if you reply to phone calls. Everything in WRITING.

WMR

 

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Hi WMR

 

Thanks for taking the time to post again. Did you see the letter I sent in post 48?

 

Of course no response yet, as expected.

 

If they had been reasonable they would have received over £500 by now but hey ho!

 

Will take a look at your MBNA thread, I am dealing with them myself, both UR, they deny this, but I have proof from SAR.

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Whilst I appreciate there are many ways of getting these people of your backs, it seems they are changing their tactics!

 

My OH is being called several times on a daily basis (as early as 8 a.m.) by a company called MKDR!

 

Now the advice here would normally be to send the telephone harassment letter from the library, however these people have never put anything in writing, they don't say what they are calling about, you have no idea who the OC was, so you are stumped!

 

It's one of those times I am tempted to answer a call and give them what for!

 

Brian Carter are doing the same but not quite as frequently, again nothing in the post from them either! :x

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They're using automatic dialling software.... and presumably, hoping to drive people nuts and wear them down. I had this with Mercers a few years back and despite sending letters, they carried on. It went on for around 6 months in all..... but they caved in before I did. As hard as it is, try and keep the faith :-)

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Red - Lowells' rotweilers are doing the same.. using SMS text messages.. Despite having an ex directory number... BT are apparently passing on everyone's telephone numbers.

 

http://www.zyra.info/bt-txt-ctrl.htm

 

It appears to be very difficult to bar these messages.. even though you are supposed to be able to by following the steps in the link above.

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Thanks P1, they won't grind us down, it's no problem taking the phone of the hook at night (goodness that sounds a bit dated, but I think you will know what I mean!)

 

No problems (yet) with texts to the landline but will bear that link in mind CB should they become a problem, thank you.

 

I was aware of truecall Rebel but isn't it around £80? Not an expense I need TBH but I have heard it can be very useful. I suppose with having mobiles, we don't tend to use the landline nowadays so I could just un plug it completely!

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Original thread here http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?252001-Barclaycard-Oh

 

I know it's been a long time since I posted on the thread but it's basically gone the rounds with the usual DCA's, Resolvecall, Mercers. Power to contact.CLS, Moorcroft, Midas, MK & Chilvers!

 

BC assigned to MKDP in Aug 11, then two letters from MK in Sept 11 and another one from Chilvers & Strachan in Oct 11 stating 'NOTICE OF INTENDED LEGAL ACTION'.

 

MK now issued a claim, no lba but Keynes sent a letter dated two days AFTER the N1 claim, referring to their recent letter (none received) and it gave 7 days to pay OR they MAY issue a claim via Northampton!

 

Having only recently defended one myself from these people, I am of the opinion that they are issuing these claims like confetti in order to get default judgements!

 

I have done the AOS and prepared CCA request and CPR31.14 to MK which will be going in the post tomorrow.

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Posted CCA and CPR31.14 to MK, will check for receipt and await their reply.

 

Just want to confirm the date for submitting a defence, the N1 is dated 5th July, I make the last date 7th August. (5 days for service + 14 for AOS + 14 for defence = 33)

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Hi Mike at least I know I haven't been sent to Coventry! :-)

 

I've had some professional help with this one and yes the cost will be pursued. I can't say who I've used unfortunately as I would more than likely be cagbotted!

 

What I can say is that they did back off very quickly after it was confirmed that they didn't have the BC CCA but said they may pursue as and when they had the paperwork! :flypig:

 

They had tried to stitch me up by agreeing an extension date which was more than the courts would have allowed, whether this was deliberate or they just didn't have a clue will remain a mystery!

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Hi Dotty

 

My guess would be the latter, they probably haven't got a clue

 

Glad you found counsel to assist :-)

 

Not sure how you ended up talking to yourself on here, have been taking a sneaky look at your other thread now and again to see how you've been getting on and completely missed this.

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