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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hi all,

 

just a quick question......

 

Please post here with whether or not you would take a bank all the way to a court room or not.

 

I wonder how many of us have become nonchalant and are relying on a settlement, instead of being fully ready and aware of the court proceedings?

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ok so I will gladly hold my hand up and admit that I havent looked in detail into what happens if this did go all the way to court, meaning i havent printed out the material and researched like I would need to, doesn't mean that I wouldn't be prepared to go all the way though...I would relish it I think, I have a mouth and I would love to put it to some good use lol!!!

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Same as post above really....

 

Havent looked into it yet and done my research although, definatley would take some time out and learn all i needed to then go all the way to the court room if necessary.

 

Touch wood I wont have to though....

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was expecting to go to court, but hoping that it wouldn't

"Banks are people that will lend you an umbrella when it's sunny, but demand it back the minute it starts raining"

 

Brad v Halifax

22/08/06 - Preliminary Letter sent requesting full repayment of charges

06/09/06 - LBA sent to bank

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I like arguing. I am only frightened of heights and snakes.

I'd buy a new suit, brush up on my oratory and let the world hear me roar for my arms are like branches.

 

"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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My wife wants a new suit for court!

 

I have been preparing for court since the start, as that after all is what we are doing - taking them to court.

 

Hopefully won't happen though - what I really want is our money back!

Morris v Halifax

Data Protection Act letter sent 20/6

Charge deducted from account 27/6

6 yrs statements received 25/8

Prelim sent 30/8 (£1014 charges + £156.11 interest).

Std reply & complaints leaflet received 5/9

Offer received £70 9/9

LBA sent 12/9

No reply to LBA - MCOL requested 26/9

Offer received 26/9 - £218.

MCOL issued 26/9, acknowledged 29/9

Offer 29/9 - full amount ex. o/draft interest

Accepted as partial

Credited to account 12/10

AQ sent for rest

Morris1 v Barclaycard

Prelim letter sent 31/8 (£60 charges + interest).

Standard reply 9/9

Offer 12/9 - full amount!! :smile:

Morris 2 v Barclaycard (Mrsbass!):

Data Protection Act letter sent 7/9

Standard reply received 19/9 inc statements 5/04 to date and microfiche bilge.

Prelim 20/9 £100+interest actual, +same estimated.

LBA 3/10

Partial offer £48 6/10

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Me personally, with the Halifax would just like it settled ASAP, but I am also claiming back charges from the Lloyds TSB and if that goes to court then I would happily stand up and state my case, it feels more personal against them. They made my life hell.

The Bank That Likes To Say YES (MY A*@*)

Purple X :)

26/09 Prelim contractual Interest

11/10 LBA

30/10 Filed N1

03/11 Deemed served

23/11 Offer Made

Lloyds TSB

Purple v Lloyds TSB

08/09 ordered statements.

23/09 Statements Received.

26/09 Prelim

03/10 Received standard response

11/10 LBA

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03/11 Deemed served

08/11 Acknowledgement

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"In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes" Andy Warhol I believe.

 

Too right I'd have gone to court, with every national newspaper, every news channel and probably a large number of placard carrying protesters outside.

 

Remember they are the defendant, they are on trial - not you - and they have to prove that those charges are fair etc etc (arf, arf). How you conducted your account is not relevant, you are not on trial.

Having said all that, so far no Bank seems to have gone to court to fight a claim and I don't believe they will. They know that the days of punative charging are coming to an end and probably within a year, maybe less, something else will replace their current charging system. In the meantime they will keep trying to put us off going all the way to court but when we call their bluff, they will pay up. The total amount refunded so far hasn't really scratched the surface of the money they make from the charges and it probably never will. Unless we all keep spreading the word to everyone that will listen and take action.

 

"Power to the People!" Citizen Smith I think you'll find.

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I would, without a doubt!! I'd do loads of reading from here so I knew my stuff first. I've been on benefits when they've taken my money without a second thought. I've been into the branch begging and pleading.

Courts don't scare me and today I went to see a very nice judge who has written off the administration order I've been paying for the past 4 years.

I'd like him to be the judge I would have to have. He was unconcerned with my current personal circumstances (I'm in a finacial position to repay the debts owed on the order) only that if I'd declared my self bankrupt at the time the order was granted I would now be clear of it. He said he couldn't see why, now that the law regarding bankruptcy has charged I should have to continue paying.

Great!! I thought I was goig in for a percentage order being made, and left with my name clear. The judgements that were made on the order should now dissappear from my credit file. Meaning I can now look into buying a home.

On a more personal note, I don't think credit should be offered to anyone uner 21, and it should be based on income. I was landed in loads of debt at 18, despite the fact my only income was £45 a week. Granted, I should have been more financially savvy, but at 18 I don't think many people are, and credit is just thrown at you.

 

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As a student starting my second year of law it would certainly make an interesting subject for a dissertation - people power and the abuse of law by trusted organisations. I would absolutley love to go to court, not because the inevitable victory would turn me in to a real-life "Rainmaker" but because I think that it would finally mean the end of ridiculous profits made by the unethical actions of any bank. Last year the Halifax made a pre-tax profit of over £4.58 billions. £4,580,000,000. That works out at more than £150 for every second of every day of the year. We all know that it doesn't cost £39 to return a standing order unpaid or £50 to inform me that I'm over my overdraft limit; but as long as the banks can get away with charging such punitive penalties they will do. I don't even think that the banks will consider lowering their charges until one of them ends up in court. Although CAG and other groups are growing in size daily, there are still plenty of people that haven't heard about the ability to reclaim their charges. My sister-in-law runs a successful business in south London and had never heard anything. I have plenty of friends and fellow students that have all been absolutely nailed for bank charges and thanks to my experiences they too will soon be reclaiming charges. Everyone needs a bank account these days and so the market is ripe for exploitation.

 

So I would absolutely love to go all the way. I'm sure that there are plenty of experienced Barristers maybe even a few QCs that would speak for me in court that have been hit for charges in their student day. Solicitors too. The publicity alone would probably guarantee that any of my legal costs were covered from start to finish. The final judgment of any court case wouldn't be limited to consequences in the UK either. Nearly every bank in this country is linked to another abroad, particularly in the EU so the reprecussions would be enormous. Can any bank afford to lose so much?

 

 

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I definately would go all the way, however, as many have said, I haven't done the research that would be needed, but I would do it if it came to it. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be scared, I would be petrified! But yes, I would definately go all the way!

HSBC - Received offer for 3621, accepted confidentiality crossed out. Money in bank 10/10/06!

 

Barclaycard - 180.00 LBA sent 5/10/2006

72.00 offered, rejected.

 

MBNA - S.A.R sent 13/9/2006 :idea:

 

Mint - 244.00 prelim sent 30/9/2006

 

Dorothy Perkins and GE money - S.A.R sent 30/9/2006

 

Simpley BE - S.A.R sent 30/9/2006

 

What I say is of my own opinion. Seek professional legal advice if need be.

 

If I have helped, tip the scales! Thank you x :)

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I admit at the moment I'm buzzing with excitement taking on the might of a bank. If it came to actually going to court that would be scary, but it wouldn't stop me what have I got to lose they have already got my money I'm just trying toget it back.

 

Might get my face on the telly though now that is scary:D

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LOL Josamolly!!! think you've summed it up there! :lol::lol::lol:

Morris v Halifax

Data Protection Act letter sent 20/6

Charge deducted from account 27/6

6 yrs statements received 25/8

Prelim sent 30/8 (£1014 charges + £156.11 interest).

Std reply & complaints leaflet received 5/9

Offer received £70 9/9

LBA sent 12/9

No reply to LBA - MCOL requested 26/9

Offer received 26/9 - £218.

MCOL issued 26/9, acknowledged 29/9

Offer 29/9 - full amount ex. o/draft interest

Accepted as partial

Credited to account 12/10

AQ sent for rest

Morris1 v Barclaycard

Prelim letter sent 31/8 (£60 charges + interest).

Standard reply 9/9

Offer 12/9 - full amount!! :smile:

Morris 2 v Barclaycard (Mrsbass!):

Data Protection Act letter sent 7/9

Standard reply received 19/9 inc statements 5/04 to date and microfiche bilge.

Prelim 20/9 £100+interest actual, +same estimated.

LBA 3/10

Partial offer £48 6/10

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.. Would love to be the first to stand up to these faceless numpties in court and win!!! how cool knocking that cheesy smile of Howards face, he wouldn't bloody sing then...

 

Might even get on Anglia TV news, after the 6 fingered farmer from Diss and his singing cat...

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One question mi Lord,In my case here today,if I'm not right to be refunded my charges then why has the bank already paid me out of court settlement of £8,500 for the exact same particulars of claim, and why have the bank paid out thousands of other people millions of £'s in refunds,can the bank explain why they have done this? Oh and why does it cost you £39 to send an automated letter from drive P especially as I'm on their paper free banking?????????? I wouldn't be frightened,Stand tall you lot this web sites behind you,to me out of court settlements mean the deendant is guilty.

HALIFAX CURRENT ACCOUNT SETTLED IN FULL 9/9/06.

 

N1 form completed 05-06-07,LBA sent 14-05-07,2nd go!Prelim sent 24/04/07

 

Halifax Visa 1.Paid in full

Halifax Classic.Paid in full.

 

LBA sent 14-05-07,GMAC prelim sent 24/04/07

 

Data Protection Act for halifax mortgage 16/09/06.

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Will gladly fly the 600 miles to the court nearest my branch!

Once sued my builders by myself, you could hear my knees knocking miles away, but I won!

Reading through threads there are people who have been to court. Someone about mercantile law, if memory serves.

It's not difficult and the court staff help you all the way. On procedure only, NOT points of law.

Do your homework, stand up, speak up and sit down and you'll be fine!

Worked for me!

A D

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]"Another charge by the Bank?"

 

1st Claim (Current account)

30/11/06 WON! £3146.41

 

2nd Claim (Mortgage charges)

27/3/07 WON! - £277

 

3rd Claim (Credit card charges)

14/5/07 WON! £300

 

4th Claim (Old account 97-99 £444)

20/4/07 Prelim sent

9/5/07 LBA sent

Can't remember now but I WON!!!

My current thread - An A-Z - My previous saga

 

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When you win you want pounds sterling not carrots and tattes.lololol

HALIFAX CURRENT ACCOUNT SETTLED IN FULL 9/9/06.

 

N1 form completed 05-06-07,LBA sent 14-05-07,2nd go!Prelim sent 24/04/07

 

Halifax Visa 1.Paid in full

Halifax Classic.Paid in full.

 

LBA sent 14-05-07,GMAC prelim sent 24/04/07

 

Data Protection Act for halifax mortgage 16/09/06.

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I would go to court and it would not phase me at all - I am just after the repayment of MY money and if this means that I have to argue my case then so be it.

My advise if free and is worth exactly as much as you paid for it….

 

HSBC 28 Oct 2006 Personal accounts ~ Offered and accepted ~ £3514 :)

HSBC 15 Sep 2006 Business ~ Offered and accepted ~ £4980 :)

MBNA 7 Sep Offered and accepted £2290 - (my amount £1170 plus Compound Interest) using the "phone call method" :o

FREEWAY 28th Oct ~ offered and acepted £506 :)

TSB VISA MCOL £300 - court date 27th March 2007

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