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    • Thank you @BankFodder. Apologies for not being clear. Here are some further details that might help clarify: The item in question is a replica of a movie prop. I build highly accurate movie props as a hobby and these items are machined by enthusiasts in very small runs (50-100) and once they're gone, they're gone. I missed out on one of these runs but a friend from the community had purchased two and decided he only needed one so offered to sell me his other one. I bought the replica prop from him and asked him to send it to my Stackry address in USA. He is based in USA and I am based in the UK. Had he shipped it directly to me in the UK, due to the size and weight, the shipping would have been expensive. Stackry is a service in the USA that has access to cheaper couriers. I have used it many times before without any issues. I simply sign in to my account when they notify me the package is received, fill out the customs form, and select my home address in the UK, select one of the couriers after receiveing a quote based on size and weight and pay the shipping fee. On this occasion I chose GlobalDirect. I had no idea the item would be handed over to Evri on arrival to the UK. The initial tracking was with DHL e-commerce. The second tracking number on arrival to the UK was with Evri. It was Evri who lost the parcel through negligence. Below is a complete timeline of events. The item made its journey from my friend in the USA to Stackry, USA without any problems. I was notified when the package was received. The item also made its journey via DHL/Global Mail Direct from the USA to the UK without any issues. The problem happened in the UK, with Evri.   I did not take out insurance. The price of the item was £185.01 Shipping from Stackry, USA to my home address in the UK with Global Mail Direct was £17.87. Total £202.88.  The letter of claim is below. The 14 days is not up yet but I have every intention on following through. I have no priror experience with this which is why I came here for advice, but I have found the online claim form on Gov.UK and intend to start there.   TIMELINE:   Item purchased from individual in USA on 26/3/24. Payment made by PayPal. Item shipped to Stackry, USA on the same day. Item advised received by Stackry on 29/3/24. Redirected by myself to my UK home address on the same day. Payment made and selected Global Mail Direct as the courier of choice. Tracking number generated for DHL e-commerce 02/04/24: arrived to the UK and cleared customs 03/04/24: processed at local distribution centre, forwarded to delivery agent (Evri) - new tracking number generated 06/04/24: marked”out for delivery” at 08:52. No delivery attempt made all day. At 21:21 marked “on its way back to sender”.  09/04/24: no further updates since “there’s an issue with your parcel. Contact the sender”. Customer support contact via email almost on a daily basis from 08/04/24 to 23/04/24 to no avail. Letter before claim sent on 03/05/24.   03/05/2024   Letter before small claims court claim   EVRi Parcelnet Limited Capitol House 1 Capitol Close Morley Leeds LS27 0WH   Dear Sirs   Reference: Parcel with the tracking number H01PQD0027409372 / H01PQA0027204793 lost by EVRi   As it has not been possible to resolve this matter amicably, and it is apparent that court action may be necessary, I write in compliance with the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct.   I have been in contact with customer support numerous times since 08/04/2024. Your driver marked the item “Returning to sender” without a valid attempt at delivery. The package is since then stuck in limbo with no further tracking updates, and as of today 03/05/2024 still says “on its way back to sender”. I have spoken to your representatives many times and they did not offer any help trying to track down the missing parcel or offer me any option for compensation. I have explained that I am both the sender and the recipient, and I am therefore within my rights to claim compensation for this missing item. I have full records of the item from the point of purchase, to its journey with DHL in the USA, and with EVRi in the UK, until it was lost in the system. The value of the item including shipping is £202.88.   From you I am claiming £202.88 paid in full to compensate the price of the item (£185.01) plus international shipping (£17.87).    Listed below are the documents on which I intend to rely in my claim against you: Screenshots of transaction made with the original seller of the item, including photographs of the item and Paypal transaction. Screenshots of the item received by Stackry in the USA and shipping cost via Global Mail Direct to my address in the UK. Screenshots of tracking with DHL Screenshots of tracking with EVRi Email correspondence with various customer support members at EVRi     I can confirm that I would be agreeable to mediation and would consider any other system of Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) in order to avoid the need for this matter to be resolved by the courts.  I would invite you to put forward any proposals in this regard.  In closing, I would draw your attention to paragraphs 15 and 16 of the Practice Direction which gives the courts the power to impose sanctions on the parties if they fail to comply with the direction including failing to respond to this letter before claim.  I look forward to hearing from you within the next 14 days. Should I not receive a response to my letter within this time frame then I anticipate that court action will be commenced with no further reference to you.    
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    • Hope there is someone who can have a look at this please? 🤞Have to hand it in in like half an hour... THanks!   INTRODUCTION 1.      As a defendant in this case I make this Witness Statement to oppose the claimant application dated 19.09.23 to lift the stay on proceedings, for the defence to be struck out, for the Summary Judgment on the whole claim and the cost order to be made against me, the defendant in view of my Defence submitted to the County Court Business Centre in Northampton on 22 June 2019. 2.      The Claimant confirms that this claim issued through Northampton County Court Business Centre remained stayed since. 3.      Attached is a witness statement and a bundle of documents marked ‘LON2’. BACKGROUND 4.      The defendant confirms she entered into a contract with the Student Loan Company (SLC) under Loan Number ………….. on 28 November 1996. The original loan amount was £2035.00 with APR rate of 2.7%. 5.      The loan was regulated by SLC and during the time SLC was in charge of the account the defendant successfully deferred every year as she was always under the earning threshold. 6.      The defendant acknowledges receiving a copy of a loan agreement enclosed as pages [1 to 2] of ‘LON1’. NOTICE OF ASSIGNMENT 7.      As per her defence, the claimant acknowledges receiving Notice of Assignment when the loan was moved over from SLC to Claimant on 22.11.2013. 8.      The Student Loan agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 9.      As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2014 REMEDIATION 10.  Defendant received a remediation pack from the Claimant on 28th August 2014 named Remedy of Account enclosed on pages [1-34] of ‘LON2’.  The cover letter explained that there was an issue under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 that resulted in Defendant’s balance being higher than it should have been so the reduction of £441.47 was applied to the account. 11.  The enclosed replacement documents in the pack showed correct situation compared to the originals with the erroneous Sums of Arrears. 12.   The defendant found this Remediation pack confusing and worrying that CCA 1974 was breached on Defendant’s account, yet the Claimant brushed it off with vague explanation and an apology. 13.  This issue puts shade on the Claimant’s requirement to prove the allegation that the money is owed as claimed under the Civil Procedure Rule 16.5 (4), as the Defendant does not admit the allegation. DEFERMENTS 14.  The defendant was granted deferrals for all the years they were with the SLC and continued to be granted deferments by the Claimant when they took over the loan as the claimant was under the earning threshold at all pertinent times. 15.  Defendant was sent and completed deferment forms for 20 years, between 1996 – 2016 without fail and no payments were ever due. 16.  Defendant had not received the 2017 deferment forms 8 weeks before the due date or the subsequent reminder that is customarily sent. 17.  Defendant had not been reminded by email about the deferment. 18.  When the Claimant noticed the Defendant’s deferment form was missing and this was unusual considering they have been at the same address for more than a decade and are on the electoral register, the Claimant did not make an attempt to call or email the defendant to communicate with them about the situation. 19.  The Claimant therefore did not treat the Defendant fairly. CCA REMEDIATON 2018 20.  As mentioned in Defendant’s Defence and not responded to in the Claimant’s Witness statement; the next communication from the Claimant that the Defendant received was the Remedy of Account pack on 1st September 2018 containing missing statutory notices that they are required to send within the prescribed timescales containing correct information to inform the client about their account as presented in pages [35-69] of ‘LON2’ 21.  Due to a system error between 2016-2018 the Claimant did not comply with this requirement and the correct statutory notices were not sent. 22.  This system error coincided with the dates the deferment forms were not received by the Defendant. 23.  The pack included annual statements some of which mentioned Sums of Arrears, much like the ones SLC used to send the Defendant in error – which was corrected by Claimant in 2014 as mentioned in points 9-12. The defendant was confused and googled the Remediation issue and found a - nothing to worry about – type of explanation on the Claimant’s website as it seems many accounts were affected. 24.  Claimant’s website stated: “What is remediation? During ongoing quality checks/reviews of our accounts, we identified an issue relating to communications that we are required to send customers as prescribed by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (as amended) (CCA). Additionally, our review identified issues with the data on some of our customers’ accounts. Having reviewed all accounts for issues, along with rectifying the issues identified above, we are now in a position to resume our normal processes. We have begun writing to our customers who have had arrears on their loan(s) since 9 December 2015 (when Erudio took over the day to day management of the loans from the Capita Group). This is to ensure they have had all the required CCA notifications and their account data is accurate. This will involve sending the corrected documentation to affected customers and corrections to the data on customers’ accounts. If your account has been affected, you will receive this documentation where applicable. Any interest incurred since these issues arose will be deducted from your account balances. What does it mean for me? You don’t need to do anything. If you have been affected by any of these issues, you will receive a letter from us outlining what we have done to fix it. We will provide you with corrected regulatory letters for the period affected by these issues and inform you about any adjustments to your account balance or payment as a result of the removal of interest added to your account during that period.” 25.  The defendant concluded this error must be also why the deferment forms were not sent and trusted that the Claimant would fix the error and send the documents with an apology, after all, if there was a problem, the Claimant would have called or emailed to let the Defendant know. 26.  The Claimant was in breach of the CCA 1974 rules in letting the Defendant know about the arrears on the account, and subsequent actions taken were unenforceable as this was the Claimant’s error. LETTER OF CLAIM AND COURT DEFENCE 27.  However, Defendant was served with a Letter of Claim which was a shock. She had never been to court before and did not think she had a choice but go to court as the other option was to succumb to unreasonable offer by Dryden’s Fairfax lawyers representing the Claimant. 28.  Defendant therefore submitted defence to court. 29.  The Claimant’s witness statement has not addressed the CCA 1974 breach that was stated in point 15 or 16 of the Defendant’s defence. ADMINISTRATIVE STAY OF PROCEEDINGS July 2019 – May 2024 30.  As the Claimant’s Witness Statement reads, during the almost 5 year administrative stay, the Defendant was contacted by Drydens Fairfax layers representing the Claimant with offers to settle the ‘debt’, however the Defendant found the letters had a violent undertone, each one threatening with a CCJ unless the Defendant complied with demands. It was therefore unwise  to enter into any kind of relationship with such bullies who were well aware of the Defendant’s defence and that their client made serious mistakes and a breached CCA 1974 rules. 31.  As a result of these continual threats but the case still on administrative stay the Defendant experienced continual nightmares and stress related gut problems. She has seen the gut specialist who advised her the mind body connection and trauma can be connected with her type of gut issues and the defendant’s GP followed by referring her to trauma psychotherapy. 32.  On 8th of June 2021 the Claimant sent a letter with the statutory documentation they failed to send the Defendant even though her postal address had not changed. Again this was another CCA 1974 breach. 33.  On 16th December 2021 the Claimant sent another letter apologising for and error made in charging the Solicitor’s fees incorrectly, continuing with a series of blunders.    
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if you live in france..why the hell are you even bothering to reply on a uk based problem......you obviously prefer the system over there...so i suggest you stay there......and your lucky you can afford the 22 euros to pay the doctor...because i can assure any low paid worker in the uk would struggle greatly to do so....and thank god the surgeries are not full of old people....perhaps their dead?

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oh and by the way...if i could afford to move to your land of milk and honey...believe me i would bl**dy well do so...unfortunately being ill/disabled precludes that...so i like many others in this god forsaken country have to put up with what we have got......but at least the bigots such as yourself have deserted us to it...

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if you live in france..why the hell are you even bothering to reply on a uk based problem......you obviously prefer the system over there...so i suggest you stay there......and your lucky you can afford the 22 euros to pay the doctor...because i can assure any low paid worker in the uk would struggle greatly to do so....and thank god the surgeries are not full of old people....perhaps their dead?

 

There is no requirement to live in the UK to post on this forum, I might remind you. I still take an interest in what is going on in the UK, as anyone might.

 

I plan indeed to stay in France where the system is very fair to those who work and pay taxes. The reason the surgeries are not full is that the fee puts off those who would be there to merely waste the doctor's time. Doctor's surgeries are not social clubs, you know, or, at least, they shouldn't be. Too often in the UK, I found that they were, however. When you are working and have to take time off to see the doctor, there is nothing more annoying than finding that people who do not have any reason to be there are clogging up the system.

 

I find your insinuations about France and the French medical system to be more than a bit insulting. There is no need for that. I was asked how I would like having to pay to see the doctor and I made a reply based on my own experience.

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The reason the surgeries are not full is that the fee puts off those who would be there to merely waste the doctor's time.

 

And how may I ask do you know they're all wasting the GP's time? Do you work there? Are you a GP? Do you have access to all their notes?

 

Sounds like this fee probably puts off more people who genuinely need help and yet can't afford it.

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well in that case i apoligise...i just find it a bit rich commenting on a uk based benefit site...when you dont even live in the bl**dy country...you are perfectly entitled to your right wing views...probably fueled by reading a copy of the daily mail.....but i am interested as the system over there is very fair to those who work and pay taxes..what happens to the poor people who are sick/disabled/unemployed.....or did the french have them all shot?

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And how may I ask do you know they're all wasting the GP's time? Do you work there? Are you a GP? Do you have access to all their notes?

 

Sounds like this fee probably puts off more people who genuinely need help and yet can't afford it.

exactly...or is it oops........watch your step dear...you might slip on that mess lying in the gutter.....should be in work....

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And how may I ask do you know they're all wasting the GP's time? Do you work there? Are you a GP? Do you have access to all their notes?

 

Sounds like this fee probably puts off more people who genuinely need help and yet can't afford it.

 

Because I could hear their conversations. They didn't bother to disguise the fact that there wasn't anything wrong with them and that they just liked meeting at the surgery to have a chat with their friends.

 

The fee doesn't put off anyone; remember that 70% of it is reimbursed by l'Assurance Maladie, and the rest by private insurance. Believe me, if people felt it was putting them off, they would say so and it would be in the newspapers. This is France and if people don't like something, they will protest. They will make themselves known.

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you must have lived in a very strange place in this country...because i can honestly say in all my 57 years on this planet i have never been in a doctors surgery where it was used purely as a meeting point....by the way..you still didnt answer my question...what happens when you can't work..or you are unemployed...etc? because as you so state....the system is very fair to those who are working and paying their taxes....reading between the lines here..but it seems if you ain't look out....

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Because I could hear their conversations. They didn't bother to disguise the fact that there wasn't anything wrong with them and that they just liked meeting at the surgery to have a chat with their friends.

 

So, let me get this straight. You've managed to overhear every single person who's ever visited that surgery have you. And hell love, can I say you sound like one nosey parker. :D

 

That still leaves 30% to pay. That must be a hinderance to the poorest of your society or are they all rich?

 

So far *touch wood* I've never had to pay for any of my medical procedures or visits to my GP. I'm sure under Cameron's bunch of arses thats about to change though.

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well in that case i apoligise...i just find it a bit rich commenting on a uk based benefit site...when you dont even live in the bl**dy country...you are perfectly entitled to your right wing views...probably fueled by reading a copy of the daily mail.....but i am interested as the system over there is very fair to those who work and pay taxes..what happens to the poor people who are sick/disabled/unemployed.....or did the french have them all shot?

 

Why do you wish so much to insult the French? Why can't you hold a civilised conversation without being so very insulting?

 

As for the sick/disabled/unemployed, generally, they are taken care of by their families. France is very strong on families. If one member of the family is working, then, provided the members are living together, they are all covered. I don't know all the rules, no, but no-one is being shot in the streets. What a dreadful accusation to make. Tell me, do you often insult other countries simply because they don't do things exactly the same way that they are done in England?

 

Yes, I am entitled to my views, although it sounds as if you would rather that I not be. As I said, this site has no residence requirement for making comments. If you are as left-wing as you make yourself out to be, I should think that you would feel enriched by having an emmigrant inform you of diverse cultural differences outside of Britain.

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As for the sick/disabled/unemployed, generally, they are taken care of by their families. France is very strong on families.

 

Well thats not good enough imo, because people like me would be completely stuffed then as I have no living relatives left, nor any friends who live anywhere near me.

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If the Govenment seriously wants to reduce its debts why dosen't it stop all overseas aid.

Surely it's not needed any more as all the illegal immigrants can readily claim benefits as soon as they get here.

 

I attended an esa medical and secretly taped the interview. The alleged professional Doctor completely lied about responses and did not do the exam as how he stated.

 

Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits. Indeed, not even all legal immigrants can do so.

 

But the basic answer, really, is that this is the absolute worst time to attempt to reduce the deficit. The government should not make repaying debts any kind of priority right now. Respected US economist Paul Krugman takes up the story.

 

So the austerity drive in Britain isn’t really about debt and deficits at all; it’s about using deficit panic as an excuse to dismantle social programs. And this is, of course, exactly the same thing that has been happening in America.

 

In fairness to Britain’s conservatives, they aren’t quite as crude as their American counterparts. They don’t rail against the evils of deficits in one breath, then demand huge tax cuts for the wealthy in the next (although the Cameron government has, in fact, significantly cut the top tax rate). And, in general, they seem less determined than America’s right to aid the rich and punish the poor. Still, the direction of policy is the same — and so is the fundamental insincerity of the calls for austerity.

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Why do you wish so much to insult the French? Why can't you hold a civilised conversation without being so very insulting?

 

As for the sick/disabled/unemployed, generally, they are taken care of by their families. France is very strong on families. If one member of the family is working, then, provided the members are living together, they are all covered. I don't know all the rules, no, but no-one is being shot in the streets. What a dreadful accusation to make. Tell me, do you often insult other countries simply because they don't do things exactly the same way that they are done in England?

 

Yes, I am entitled to my views, although it sounds as if you would rather that I not be. As I said, this site has no residence requirement for making comments. If you are as left-wing as you make yourself out to be, I should think that you would feel enriched by having an emmigrant enrich you by informing you of diverse cultural differences outside of Britain.

actually I was not insulting the French or their system....but again am interested as to what happens if you have no family? and no I am not left wing in fact i have never had a political leaning...I worked hard for 30 years for this country...and didnt flee at the first opportunity..only wish I had....my life is a constant battle in order to get the benefit i believe i am entitled too....like you paying into a private insurance..i too have paid into the welfare system and been lied to by this and previous governments both labour and conservative that if anything happened i would be looked after...well lo and behold it bl**dy happened...and we do welcome your views, but when you sprout right wing propoganda that only the people working should get anything you unfortunately have a very narrow perspective on what is happening over here, there are well over 2 and half million people who cannot even find work here...and their families are struggling to survive...and I am quite happy with having an immigrant enrich me of their diverse cultural differences.....or do you also as it appears have a problem with immigration?

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are you sure you didnt mean 15 checked 14 but it looked ok...have provided link for 15 apologies....

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actually I was not insulting the French or their system....but again am interested as to what happens if you have no family? and no I am not left wing in fact i have never had a political leaning...I worked hard for 30 years for this country...and didnt flee at the first opportunity..only wish I had....my life is a constant battle in order to get the benefit i believe i am entitled too....like you paying into a private insurance..i too have paid into the welfare system and been lied to by this and previous governments both labour and conservative that if anything happened i would be looked after...well lo and behold it bl**dy happened...and we do welcome your views, but when you sprout right wing propoganda that only the people working should get anything you unfortunately have a very narrow perspective on what is happening over here, there are well over 2 and half million people who cannot even find work here...and their families are struggling to survive...and I am quite happy with having an immigrant enrich me of their diverse cultural differences.....or do you also as it appears have a problem with immigration?

 

Um, you're the one who seems to have the problem with emmigration; after all, if you don't have a problem with immigrants, then you shouldn't have a problem with emmigrants. You have insulted me and you have, in my opinion, insulted both the French and France. This is not civil of you and it is not called for at all.

 

I don't know all the rules of the French system, as I have said, but no-one here starves in the streets, that is for certain. No-one is taken out and shot. If you are so interested, why don't you do some research yourself? There is information in English and French is easy enough to learn at any rate.

 

This is my last reply on this subject as I have been repeatedly insulted by various posters here. Not only that, but an entire country and its people have been insulted. If you cannot carry out a civil conversation, then really, I don't think you should be posting here.

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if you read carefully I have never insulted the French or France that is your reading of my posts....if I have then like I say to my wife... never go to bed on an argument....and I dont intend nor wanted to argue with you...I just believe that your view is slewed....and i have no problem with people who emigrate..as i have consistently stated I wish to hell I could have got out, but circumstances would not allow that...and if anyone posting here you feel has insulted you then we are sorry....but we do have people starving over here....turning to charities in order to survive.and feed their families for something that was never their fault.....the large French countryside where farming is one of the major industries is one of the reasons why the French are in a sense luckier than us...who are crammed into an overcrowded island...

relying on financial services, retial,call centre, and very little else in the way of work...our manufacturing base is shot...and believe you me there is a lot of angry people now in this country...as we watch big business making a huge profit out of misery.....as to my posting here if the mods think i have not done anything wrong then I assume I shall still be allowed to.....you should read carefully what you have posted and wonder why people have been quick to castigate...but have a nice evening...and please dont take it to personally

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Calm down dearies.

Another one of those subjects that can quickly get heated.

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