2 ESA Return to Work cases reported in Scottish Daily Record Newspaper

[debt4get]

if you live in france..why the hell are you even bothering to reply on a uk based problem......you obviously prefer the system over there...so i suggest you stay there......and your lucky you can afford the 22 euros to pay the doctor...because i can assure any low paid worker in the uk would struggle greatly to do so....and thank god the surgeries are not full of old people....perhaps their dead?

[Nystagmite]

Oh, and the doctor keeps hours that fit with the lifestyle of working people: early morning, evening and Saturdays. It really is a great system.

 

As do some surgeries (like mine) over here.

[debt4get]

oh and by the way...if i could afford to move to your land of milk and honey...believe me i would bl**dy well do so...unfortunately being ill/disabled precludes that...so i like many others in this god forsaken country have to put up with what we have got......but at least the bigots such as yourself have deserted us to it...

[daggersedge]

if you live in france..why the hell are you even bothering to reply on a uk based problem......you obviously prefer the system over there...so i suggest you stay there......and your lucky you can afford the 22 euros to pay the doctor...because i can assure any low paid worker in the uk would struggle greatly to do so....and thank god the surgeries are not full of old people....perhaps their dead?

 

There is no requirement to live in the UK to post on this forum, I might remind you. I still take an interest in what is going on in the UK, as anyone might.

 

I plan indeed to stay in France where the system is very fair to those who work and pay taxes. The reason the surgeries are not full is that the fee puts off those who would be there to merely waste the doctor's time. Doctor's surgeries are not social clubs, you know, or, at least, they shouldn't be. Too often in the UK, I found that they were, however. When you are working and have to take time off to see the doctor, there is nothing more annoying than finding that people who do not have any reason to be there are clogging up the system.

 

I find your insinuations about France and the French medical system to be more than a bit insulting. There is no need for that. I was asked how I would like having to pay to see the doctor and I made a reply based on my own experience.

[sadone]

The reason the surgeries are not full is that the fee puts off those who would be there to merely waste the doctor's time.

 

And how may I ask do you know they're all wasting the GP's time? Do you work there? Are you a GP? Do you have access to all their notes?

 

Sounds like this fee probably puts off more people who genuinely need help and yet can't afford it.

[debt4get]

well in that case i apoligise...i just find it a bit rich commenting on a uk based benefit site...when you dont even live in the bl**dy country...you are perfectly entitled to your right wing views...probably fueled by reading a copy of the daily mail.....but i am interested as the system over there is very fair to those who work and pay taxes..what happens to the poor people who are sick/disabled/unemployed.....or did the french have them all shot?

[debt4get]

And how may I ask do you know they're all wasting the GP's time? Do you work there? Are you a GP? Do you have access to all their notes?

 

Sounds like this fee probably puts off more people who genuinely need help and yet can't afford it.

exactly...or is it oops........watch your step dear...you might slip on that mess lying in the gutter.....should be in work....

[daggersedge]

And how may I ask do you know they're all wasting the GP's time? Do you work there? Are you a GP? Do you have access to all their notes?

 

Sounds like this fee probably puts off more people who genuinely need help and yet can't afford it.

 

Because I could hear their conversations. They didn't bother to disguise the fact that there wasn't anything wrong with them and that they just liked meeting at the surgery to have a chat with their friends.

 

The fee doesn't put off anyone; remember that 70% of it is reimbursed by l'Assurance Maladie, and the rest by private insurance. Believe me, if people felt it was putting them off, they would say so and it would be in the newspapers. This is France and if people don't like something, they will protest. They will make themselves known.

[debt4get]

you must have lived in a very strange place in this country...because i can honestly say in all my 57 years on this planet i have never been in a doctors surgery where it was used purely as a meeting point....by the way..you still didnt answer my question...what happens when you can't work..or you are unemployed...etc? because as you so state....the system is very fair to those who are working and paying their taxes....reading between the lines here..but it seems if you ain't look out....

[sadone]

Because I could hear their conversations. They didn't bother to disguise the fact that there wasn't anything wrong with them and that they just liked meeting at the surgery to have a chat with their friends.

 

So, let me get this straight. You've managed to overhear every single person who's ever visited that surgery have you. And hell love, can I say you sound like one nosey parker.

 

That still leaves 30% to pay. That must be a hinderance to the poorest of your society or are they all rich?

 

So far *touch wood* I've never had to pay for any of my medical procedures or visits to my GP. I'm sure under Cameron's bunch of arses thats about to change though.

[daggersedge]

well in that case i apoligise...i just find it a bit rich commenting on a uk based benefit site...when you dont even live in the bl**dy country...you are perfectly entitled to your right wing views...probably fueled by reading a copy of the daily mail.....but i am interested as the system over there is very fair to those who work and pay taxes..what happens to the poor people who are sick/disabled/unemployed.....or did the french have them all shot?

 

Why do you wish so much to insult the French? Why can't you hold a civilised conversation without being so very insulting?

 

As for the sick/disabled/unemployed, generally, they are taken care of by their families. France is very strong on families. If one member of the family is working, then, provided the members are living together, they are all covered. I don't know all the rules, no, but no-one is being shot in the streets. What a dreadful accusation to make. Tell me, do you often insult other countries simply because they don't do things exactly the same way that they are done in England?

 

Yes, I am entitled to my views, although it sounds as if you would rather that I not be. As I said, this site has no residence requirement for making comments. If you are as left-wing as you make yourself out to be, I should think that you would feel enriched by having an emmigrant inform you of diverse cultural differences outside of Britain.

Edited June 2, 2012 by daggersedge
Grammar correction.

[sadone]

As for the sick/disabled/unemployed, generally, they are taken care of by their families. France is very strong on families.

 

Well thats not good enough imo, because people like me would be completely stuffed then as I have no living relatives left, nor any friends who live anywhere near me.

[citizenB]

debt4get - post # 14 - has that text been copied from somewhere ?

 

If so can you please pop in a link and acknowledgment ? If you are unable to edit the post at this time, can you please let one of the Site team have the link in order that they can do it - Ta -

[antone]

As ever when a topic like this comes up, I would like to gently remind all of our members that civility is not optional in this forum. I hope a gentle reminder will be all that's needed.

[Bang!]

Clearly the 22 euros does not cover treatment of delirium! :D:D

[rebel11]

Guys can we ask you to respect each others opinions, please be tolerant towards each other, Thank You for your co-operation.

[antone]

If the Govenment seriously wants to reduce its debts why dosen't it stop all overseas aid.

Surely it's not needed any more as all the illegal immigrants can readily claim benefits as soon as they get here.

 

I attended an esa medical and secretly taped the interview. The alleged professional Doctor completely lied about responses and did not do the exam as how he stated.

 

Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits. Indeed, not even all legal immigrants can do so.

 

But the basic answer, really, is that this is the absolute worst time to attempt to reduce the deficit. The government should not make repaying debts any kind of priority right now. Respected US economist Paul Krugman takes up the story.

 

So the austerity drive in Britain isn’t really about debt and deficits at all; it’s about using deficit panic as an excuse to dismantle social programs. And this is, of course, exactly the same thing that has been happening in America.

 

In fairness to Britain’s conservatives, they aren’t quite as crude as their American counterparts. They don’t rail against the evils of deficits in one breath, then demand huge tax cuts for the wealthy in the next (although the Cameron government has, in fact, significantly cut the top tax rate). And, in general, they seem less determined than America’s right to aid the rich and punish the poor. Still, the direction of policy is the same — and so is the fundamental insincerity of the calls for austerity.

[debt4get]

Why do you wish so much to insult the French? Why can't you hold a civilised conversation without being so very insulting?

 

As for the sick/disabled/unemployed, generally, they are taken care of by their families. France is very strong on families. If one member of the family is working, then, provided the members are living together, they are all covered. I don't know all the rules, no, but no-one is being shot in the streets. What a dreadful accusation to make. Tell me, do you often insult other countries simply because they don't do things exactly the same way that they are done in England?

 

Yes, I am entitled to my views, although it sounds as if you would rather that I not be. As I said, this site has no residence requirement for making comments. If you are as left-wing as you make yourself out to be, I should think that you would feel enriched by having an emmigrant enrich you by informing you of diverse cultural differences outside of Britain.

actually I was not insulting the French or their system....but again am interested as to what happens if you have no family? and no I am not left wing in fact i have never had a political leaning...I worked hard for 30 years for this country...and didnt flee at the first opportunity..only wish I had....my life is a constant battle in order to get the benefit i believe i am entitled too....like you paying into a private insurance..i too have paid into the welfare system and been lied to by this and previous governments both labour and conservative that if anything happened i would be looked after...well lo and behold it bl**dy happened...and we do welcome your views, but when you sprout right wing propoganda that only the people working should get anything you unfortunately have a very narrow perspective on what is happening over here, there are well over 2 and half million people who cannot even find work here...and their families are struggling to survive...and I am quite happy with having an immigrant enrich me of their diverse cultural differences.....or do you also as it appears have a problem with immigration?

[debt4get]

debt4get - post # 14 - has that text been copied from somewhere ?

 

If so can you please pop in a link and acknowledgment ? If you are unable to edit the post at this time, can you please let one of the Site team have the link in order that they can do it - Ta -

are you sure you didnt mean 15 checked 14 but it looked ok...have provided link for 15 apologies....

[daggersedge]

actually I was not insulting the French or their system....but again am interested as to what happens if you have no family? and no I am not left wing in fact i have never had a political leaning...I worked hard for 30 years for this country...and didnt flee at the first opportunity..only wish I had....my life is a constant battle in order to get the benefit i believe i am entitled too....like you paying into a private insurance..i too have paid into the welfare system and been lied to by this and previous governments both labour and conservative that if anything happened i would be looked after...well lo and behold it bl**dy happened...and we do welcome your views, but when you sprout right wing propoganda that only the people working should get anything you unfortunately have a very narrow perspective on what is happening over here, there are well over 2 and half million people who cannot even find work here...and their families are struggling to survive...and I am quite happy with having an immigrant enrich me of their diverse cultural differences.....or do you also as it appears have a problem with immigration?

 

Um, you're the one who seems to have the problem with emmigration; after all, if you don't have a problem with immigrants, then you shouldn't have a problem with emmigrants. You have insulted me and you have, in my opinion, insulted both the French and France. This is not civil of you and it is not called for at all.

 

I don't know all the rules of the French system, as I have said, but no-one here starves in the streets, that is for certain. No-one is taken out and shot. If you are so interested, why don't you do some research yourself? There is information in English and French is easy enough to learn at any rate.

 

This is my last reply on this subject as I have been repeatedly insulted by various posters here. Not only that, but an entire country and its people have been insulted. If you cannot carry out a civil conversation, then really, I don't think you should be posting here.

[Bang!]

I think to be fair everyone knows illegal immigrants get a vast amounts of benefits - but only in the daily mail/tory party political broadcasts.

[debt4get]

if you read carefully I have never insulted the French or France that is your reading of my posts....if I have then like I say to my wife... never go to bed on an argument....and I dont intend nor wanted to argue with you...I just believe that your view is slewed....and i have no problem with people who emigrate..as i have consistently stated I wish to hell I could have got out, but circumstances would not allow that...and if anyone posting here you feel has insulted you then we are sorry....but we do have people starving over here....turning to charities in order to survive.and feed their families for something that was never their fault.....the large French countryside where farming is one of the major industries is one of the reasons why the French are in a sense luckier than us...who are crammed into an overcrowded island...

relying on financial services, retial,call centre, and very little else in the way of work...our manufacturing base is shot...and believe you me there is a lot of angry people now in this country...as we watch big business making a huge profit out of misery.....as to my posting here if the mods think i have not done anything wrong then I assume I shall still be allowed to.....you should read carefully what you have posted and wonder why people have been quick to castigate...but have a nice evening...and please dont take it to personally

[MARTIN3030]

Calm down dearies.

Another one of those subjects that can quickly get heated.

Looks like everyone has had their say.

Thread closed,now enjoy the party days ahead !!