Esa / jsa

[down'n'out]

Thanks for the reply.

 

I just made a search for the "Permitted Work scheme". Looks like that would need to go through at the WFI ? That would probably get me thrown in with a WP. The earnings you mention, if I was to make £95, then that would go in tax and contribution to HB/CTB, so I would not be doing it for the money lol.

I would like to try and find some work, however, I would prefer to steer clear of the WP for as long as possible.

 

Regards,

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Thanks for the reply.

 

I just made a search for the "Permitted Work scheme". Looks like that would need to go through at the WFI ? That would probably get me thrown in with a WP. The earnings you mention, if I was to make £95, then that would go in tax and contribution to HB/CTB, so I would not be doing it for the money lol.

 

no earnings that are earned for permitted work do not get taken into account for HB, or tax and NI

Its not your WFI advisor who would decide if you can do such work, its an ESA DM, so dont worry there

 

I would like to try and find some work, however, I would prefer to steer clear of the WP for as long as possible.

 

Regards,

 

A bit of permitted work may be the start you need, What job did you do before ESA?

it doesnt have to be the same type of work though

[RaeUK]

As said, the £95 threshold does not affect your entitlement to full HB and CTB. Also, don't forget that the £95 is earned income not, if you were operating self-employed, gross turnover which could be higher ...

[down'n'out]

Hi Mikey,

 

no earnings that are earned for permitted work do not get taken into account for HB, or tax and NI

Its not your WFI advisor who would decide if you can do such work, its an ESA DM, so dont worry there

 

Are you sure? I was going of this info:-

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Illorinjured/DG_171909

 

Income Tax

If you start Permitted Work, you may have to pay tax on your extra income. You must notify HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) as soon as you start work.

 

Effect on other benefits

If you get Housing Benefit or Council Tax Benefit and you do Permitted Work, any earnings over £20 may be taken into account when assessing these benefits.

I am also thinking, that if I was to get work, either full or part time(not "permitted work") and then had to leave that employment voluntarily due to illness or unable to cope, I would then be sanctioned from benefit.

 

What job did you do before ESA?

Skilled Engineer (25+ years full time work before illness).

 

 

Regards,

Edited June 6, 2012 by down'n'out

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Hi down

with regards to HB

Please note that earnings will affect some means-tested benefits. From April 2010 permitted earnings are fully disregarded in Housing and Council Tax benefit claims

 

www.medway.gov.uk/pdf/Permitted%20Work%20Rules%202011.pdf

Income Tax allowances

2010-11

2011-12

2012-13

Personal Allowance (1)

£6,475

£7,475

£8,105

are you on IB ESA or Conts, If IB no tax

maybe if conts?

You can earn up to 110 a week (2010-11) before you pay any National Insurance more now.....

 

there are linking rules for ESA, why dont you have a chat with your advisor or do you feel pressurised

There is a lot of skill in them 25 years....

[Nystagmite]

I am also thinking, that if I was to get work, either full or part time(not "permitted work") and then had to leave that employment voluntarily due to illness or unable to cope, I would then be sanctioned from benefit.

 

If you leave and go on to ESA, your benefits aren't affected. If you leave due to becoming disabled, can work, no adjustments can be made, you shouldn't be sanctioned if you go on to JSA. It's not as if you left because you were bored of your job.

[down'n'out]

Hi Mikey,

 

with regards to HB

Thanks for the added info.

there are linking rules for ESA, why dont you have a chat with your advisor or do you feel pressurised

I still do not have an advisor. I am actually still not classed as being on ESA(still on IB), although ESA does start later this month.

If I was to ask an advisor for help looking for work, I am concerned that that would then be seen as "volunteering", so may be placed with a WP, to do CV class etc. Something I do not want or need. So yes, I think I would then be pressurized.

I think I still have some breathing space, maybe a month or 2 until my first WFI. So I will see what I can do myself in that time.

 

Regards,

[down'n'out]

Hi Nystagmite,

 

If you leave and go on to ESA, your benefits aren't affected.

 

Thanks.

I have been trying to find more info. I have seen that there is a linking rule, so that if you have been refused ESA, then you cannot re-apply for 6 months. Does that linking apply, if I was on ESA, then after working (for example 3 months) I was to go back to (re-apply for) ESA, would that be linked to my last claim and then be allowed?

 

Sorry if I appear to be going around in circles with this. I need to remove some uncertainty and doubt from my mind.

 

 

Regards,

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Maybe would be best if you waited to go over to ESA first

 

If you come off ESA to try out a job or training you may be able to reclaim ESA under special linking rules. These allow you to receive ESA without any 'waiting period', and at the same rate and on the same terms as before, and you do not have to re-serve the 13 weeks assessment phase.

 

Twelve-week linking rule

 

Any two periods of limited capacity for work that are separated by no more than 12 weeks are treated as a single period. If you are off sick or leave a job within 12 weeks of a previous ESA award you will go back onto your ESA at the same rate and terms as before.

 

Hundred and four-week linking rule

 

If you were receiving ESA for over 13 weeks then came off ESA to begin work or training there is a two year linking rule. If that work or training stops for any reason within two years you can reclaim ESA at the same rate and on the same terms as before.

[down'n'out]

Hi Mikey,

 

Many thanks for confirming that.

 

Regards,

[down'n'out]

Hello again,

 

I am going for an interview, well, for a "chat", at a place I have worked at before for a current vacancy. Do I need to inform the JCP or anyone?

 

I am taking a big risk, but I need to try.

 

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I have seen that if starting a full time job, there is some help with an extension on HB/CTB for 4 weeks after starting employment, is that correct? and what would I need to do to apply/obtain that if I start full time work?

I believe I have also seen the possibility of getting a small grant for starting work, is that available? and how?

(I am now officially on ESA WRAG)

 

Regards,

[antone]

Hello again,

 

I am going for an interview, well, for a "chat", at a place I have worked at before for a current vacancy. Do I need to inform the JCP or anyone?

 

I am taking a big risk, but I need to try.

 

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I have seen that if starting a full time job, there is some help with an extension on HB/CTB for 4 weeks after starting employment, is that correct? and what would I need to do to apply/obtain that if I start full time work?

I believe I have also seen the possibility of getting a small grant for starting work, is that available? and how?

(I am now officially on ESA WRAG)

 

Regards,

 

You don't need to tell JCP if all you do is go for an interview or informal chat about a job. Obviously if you accept a job as a result, you need to inform them.

 

There is a Job Grant available, as well as the 4 week run on of HB/CTB. You need to have been claiming ESA for 26 weeks with no breaks in your claim, be going to work for 16 hours per week or more, and the job must be expected to last at least 5 weeks. I think it's still £100 for most folks, possibly more if you have children. It should be paid automatically when you close your claim on starting work, and JCP should also inform your council with respect to the HB/CTB run on.

[down'n'out]

You need to have been claiming ESA for 26 weeks with no breaks in your claim,

 

I was on IB for more than 26 weeks, then after WCA(atos), placed in WRAG.

 

Is there a specific form I would need to get/fill out?

 

 

Regards,

[antone]

I was on IB for more than 26 weeks, then after WCA(atos), placed in WRAG.

 

Is there a specific form I would need to get/fill out?

 

 

Regards,

 

I think your IB claim would count under linking rules. There's no specific form you need, no, it should be paid to you automatically if you're entitled. It can sometimes be missed when a claim is being closed, though, so if you believe you're entitled and you don't get it, call your Benefit Centre and ask them to investigate.

[flumps1976]

do you have to In Work Team at your local JCP office as they can close the claim following a teleohone call which includes questions to dtermine if the run on can be claimed, (work over 16 hours per week and expected to last 5 weeks or more), if you don;t then I would advise writing a letter stating that you are returning to paid employment and include that informatio so that the correct codes can be entered on the opstrat system, this will then trigger the notification to the local authority too to allow any housing benefit/council tax run on payment too.

[MIKEY DABODEE]

I was on IB for more than 26 weeks, then after WCA(atos), placed in WRAG.

 

Is there a specific form I would need to get/fill out?

 

 

Regards,

 

No form as long as your ESA is up to date eg current med cert you will get it all.

ring up tell them you are starting ftw, for good measure add on were on IB prior, providing there is no break in the claim. and there shouldnt be if you migrated, you will get the full package, £100 job grant, four weeks run on of housing benefits.

are you claiming the in and out of work credit?

I dont know to be honest if you will qualify you can check it out though

you were on IB an you may have transistional protection

 

Return to Work Credit

 

Return to Work Credit is a tax-free payment of £40 per week for people that have, or have had, a health condition or disability.

 

 

It can be payable for up to 52 weeks as long as:

• your job is expected to last at least five weeks
  
• you are working on average over 16 hours a week
  
• your gross earnings do not exceed £288.46 per week, or £1,250 per month
  
• you are earning at least the National Minimum Wage
  
• you have been getting an incapacity benefit for 13 continuous weeks or more
  
• you have started work or will be starting work within the five-week period immediately after being entitled to a qualifying benefit
  

You might not qualify if you claim either of the following benefits in the five weeks before starting work:

• Jobseeker's Allowance
  
• Income Support as a lone parent
  

Please contact your adviser or Jobcentre Plus for more details.

 

 

fantastic news down if you have got the job

Edited June 15, 2012 by MIKEY DABODEE

[down'n'out]

I think your IB claim would count under linking rules.

OK, thanks. I will need to get verification.

It can sometimes be missed when a claim is being closed, though,.....

That could (possibly) cause issue.

 

Ideally I would relocate, so possibly having to pay for the overlap (paying 2 rents/CT etc for possible 4 weeks), would be a struggle. I could commute, but that would be almost 2 hours each way (+£77pw).

 

 

Regards,

Edited June 15, 2012 by down'n'out

[down'n'out]

Hi Mikey,

 

are you claiming the in and out of work credit?

Thanks for the info

 

fantastic news down if you have got the job

It is a place I have worked at before, and the job (to me) is simple, but I am seeing they(and other places) are struggling to get the skilled staff. So there is a very good chance I will get the job if I want it. I am going to see them next week.

 

Regards,

Edited June 15, 2012 by down'n'out

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Hi Down,

lets hope its works out for you,

you have something thats quite rare today, a skill.. and time served

I wish you well

 

regards

to you as well

[down'n'out]

Hi Mikey,

 

lets hope its works out for you,

 

Many thanks

 

I need to make this work. I will certainly do my utmost.

 

Regards,

[Guest amianne]

Hi Down,

lets hope its works out for you,

you have something thats quite rare today, a skill.. and time served

I wish you well

 

regards

to you as well

 

Unfortunately having a skill, being time served and being formally qualified does not always mean that they will get a job.

 

My brother in law is a skilled, highly qualifed and time served (37 years) specialist welder. He is licensed amongst other things to work on 'live' petro-chemical plants.

 

He has seen his hourly rate drop by 90% over the past 5 years to not much more than what he was earning 25 years ago!.

 

He now has to travel abroad to find the work and more importantly, the correct level of income. He is away for 6 months at a time working in Indonesia and Africa. He is currently working in Nigeria on a chemical plant.

 

So that poster is very lucky to have found that job. Not many do.

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Unfortunately having a skill, being time served and being formally qualified does not always mean that they will get a job.

 

My brother in law is a skilled, highly qualifed and time served (37 years) specialist welder. He is licensed amongst other things to work on 'live' petro-chemical plants.

 

He has seen his hourly rate drop by 90% over the past 5 years to not much more than what he was earning 25 years ago!.

 

He now has to travel abroad to find the work and more importantly, the correct level of income. He is away for 6 months at a time working in Indonesia and Africa. He is currently working in Nigeria on a chemical plant.

 

So that poster is very lucky to have found that job. Not many do.

 

However Down has managed to find a job, I am sure we all wish him well in the future

 

And your brother in law, at least he has full time employemnt, thank goodness

Edited June 16, 2012 by MIKEY DABODEE

[Guest amianne]

However Down has managed to find a job, I am sure we all wish him well in the future

 

And your brother in law, at least he has employemnt, thank goodness

 

Thanks and yes good luck to down'nout.

 

It is a bit ridiculous however to have all of this skilled and highly qualified workforce in Britain that very few employers want to employ.

 

My BIL has to go to 3rd world countries to find a job that pays the correct level of income!

As an example, he would not agree to a contract anywhere that did not pay a clear £50,000 (net of all taxes and expenses) for 6 months hard graft. In Britain it seems acceptable now to pay £25,000 a year!!!!

He is just one of many that he knows of that will never work in the UK again as firms will not pay the going rate and having been stung once, with loss of UK contracts and an ever increasing attitude that the NMW is not that anymore, but the accepted 'normal' rate.

Britain's loss is others gain!

[sadone]

Maybe would be best if you waited to go over to ESA first

 

If you come off ESA to try out a job or training you may be able to reclaim ESA under special linking rules. These allow you to receive ESA without any 'waiting period', and at the same rate and on the same terms as before, and you do not have to re-serve the 13 weeks assessment phase.

 

Twelve-week linking rule

 

Any two periods of limited capacity for work that are separated by no more than 12 weeks are treated as a single period. If you are off sick or leave a job within 12 weeks of a previous ESA award you will go back onto your ESA at the same rate and terms as before.

 

Hundred and four-week linking rule

 

If you were receiving ESA for over 13 weeks then came off ESA to begin work or training there is a two year linking rule. If that work or training stops for any reason within two years you can reclaim ESA at the same rate and on the same terms as before.

 

Saw this and just to say that to the best of my knowledge the ESA linking rule was abolished in Aril this year sadly. So any return after a break would mean starting all over again.

 

See this thread on Rightnet

 

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/3185/

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Saw this and just to say that to the best of my knowledge the ESA linking rule was abolished in Aril this year sadly. So any return after a break would mean starting all over again.

 

See this thread on Rightnet

 

http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/3185/

 

Thanks Sadone for info

 

I think Down is transistionally protected so should be ok.

 

TP regs which provides for the basic rule that a claim for an ‘existing benefit’ is to be treated as a claim for ESA was not amended, so any claim for IB/IS that is not transitionally protected is still treated as claim for ESA