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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
    • As one of you mentioned above I've been in a mess for nearly 20 years now and I'm ready to sort my credit report out now - the main reason I got into second round of debt is my kids being unwell and the state considering them not unwell enough for extra help so despite my son being in hospital for 3 months in one year we got extra zero help and I eventually lost my job and got into debt to just so I can be تا my sons hospital bed at his time of need - my life basically fell apart and all these debts got me again 
    • Gosh mate I've woke up this morning with half the worry I had last night when going to sleep!.  I can't believe how much this forum has helped me over the years and I don't  have the words to explain the gratitude I feel towards you guys -  Now that I've slept on it I feel ready to reject this company and my plan is to make them an offer to accept payments to date as full and final settlement - I will I think write them a letter once my review is completed or maybe just send it now whilst they are reviewing explaining my kids are unwell for which reason I'm struggling to survive and if I can politely request for them to accept payment to date as a full and final - I'll mention I don't have any cash or anyone to borrow from to offer a full or even part amount of the remaining balance of the iva and therfore am unable to make a offer of payment.   If they agree to at least even put my offer to the creditors then I feel it's better I hang in there and that way I won't have to deal with any possibilities of more defaults and ccjs    Right now the only adverse effects on my credit report are the iva that is now 3 years old and 2 Ccj one coming of this July and one thus October.    But I am worried new action will begin and new defaults and Ccj may start to appear because I've paying into an agreement im under the impression the 6 year rules starts again so yes I have lost of mixed feelings about this but I'm not going to lie you guys have put some life back into my breath this week as for the last 3 years I've felt caged like an animal and this morning I feel freer I can't explain how much but certainly my soul feel lighter today thanks to yin because I'm now viewing this review totally different to I do yesterday thanks to you guys 
    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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I have to agree, this thread contains pertinent information to our claims regarding banks charges. Without the CCA we cannot back our claims and prove the breaches which banks repeatedly ignore. Perhaps one of the MODS could create the relevant stickies, to help Newbies with their questions. I don't mind helping Newbies with their questions, as I was one once, maybe the MODS help more with this function also.

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can I add my twopence worth and I think its been said before, a sticky for the main points would be fantastic! maybe a template letter, I have used the PPI letter and amended it for other charges but was worried I had also weakened it in some way by 'fiddling' with it!?

 

this is a wealth of info but it is large :):):)

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Pam i know you are busy, and i dont like asking direct questions, but

 

can you just have a look at my thoughts in this post

 

is there ANY mileage in anything ive written

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/show-post/post-780736.html

 

Dave

 

OOH Dave,

thats interesting!!!

 

I've just checked my micrfiche signature form, the torn of bottom part of the application from that MBNA sent me in response to my CCA 1974 S78 request and...yes, it does show my signature and date 25/07/2001. However MBNA's stamped signature goes right through the DPA important information but the date is 08/08/2001.

 

I don't suppose it makes much difference in my case as the doc. that I was sent does not show any credit limit/amount of credit, it also lacks many of the prescribed terms.

 

Anyhow, I have reported MBNA to TS and they have forwarded my complaint regarding MBNA being in Default and thus have committed an Offence to Chester TS for investigation.

 

It would appear that TS are reluctant to use their enforcement powers, but I find it interesting that anyone complaining to their local TS about MBNA, will in turn have their complaints forwarded to Chester.

 

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AC,

 

I would love to be a fly on the wall when TS has it's monthly meeting with MBNA to discuss these matters. Looks like the meetings aren't very productive. I know this is subjective, but if TS are reporting the complaints MBNA, why hasn't MBNA taken heed?

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Maybe because there is no dis-incentive for their actions.

Its like being at school.

You mess about in the playground, and a prefect comes along and tells you 'You shouldn't be doing that'.

Once the prefects back is turned , you stick two fingers up, say 'what do they know' and carry on.

 

the regulatory bodies are not geared up or prepared for a consumer revolt, nor are the courts. What is happening now is that the consumer has gained more teeth in a shorter space of time, than 100 years of authoritarian dictatorship and monopolisation of regulation (phew-did I say that?)

Maybe we should take the regulatory body(ies) to court/task for non compliance of their fiduciary duties?

Now that would be interesting. (expensive but interesting!)

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If a document fee is included in the total amount payable but interest as been charged on the fee. Could the fee be construed as credit?,

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If a document fee is included in the total amount payable but interest as been charged on the fee. Could the fee be construed as credit?,

 

If the fee is provided in the total credit amount, then yes IMO!

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If the fee is provided in the total credit amount, then yes IMO!

 

A term in the agreement states: the document fee will be debited to your account on the day the credit is first drawn and interest as been aplied on the fee and is included in the interest as stated above.

 

I think the creditor is guilty of mischief by charging the account with interest on the fee. This IMO is credit, threfore the amount of credit as been incorectly stated.

 

I have a copy of the original agreement given to me at the time but the creditor has a copy with a line through the document fee making the fee void. The creditor is forwarding the agreement through a CCA request. Interesting.

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Maybe we should take the regulatory body(ies) to court/task for non compliance of their fiduciary duties?

Now that would be interesting. (expensive but interesting!)

 

7-day LBA for £30 billion to the OFT for negligence. Roughly £4bn for each year it has had the ability to retaliate against the use and enforcement of unfair terms in consumer contracts. I dare you. :p

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LMAO - meagain....

 

Is there a template for that? :o

 

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MBNA - CRA file to be cleared then finished!

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Abbey Personal - Final LBA 28/5/7 - then Court

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Capital One - Final LBA 28/5/7 - then Court

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GMAC - Sent DCA SAR 9th March 07 - confirmed not legally assigned.

Waiting for GMAC to provide breakdown of charges and CCA under s79

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Alliance & Leicester - Final LBA 28/5/7 - then Court.

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Zubo and meagain - I'm up for it if you are!

 

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MBNA - CRA file to be cleared then finished!

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Abbey Personal - Final LBA 28/5/7 - then Court

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Capital One - Final LBA 28/5/7 - then Court

__________________________________________

GMAC - Sent DCA SAR 9th March 07 - confirmed not legally assigned.

Waiting for GMAC to provide breakdown of charges and CCA under s79

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Alliance & Leicester - Final LBA 28/5/7 - then Court.

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Let's do it!

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7-day LBA for £30 billion to the OFT for negligence. Roughly £4bn for each year it has had the ability to retaliate against the use and enforcement of unfair terms in consumer contracts. I dare you. :p

 

I REALLY WISH...somebody would do that!!

Maybe, WE can.

Count me in.

 

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Sorry to ask what could be a stupid question.....

I have 2 loans with EGG and 1 credit card....

My experian report lists 3 loans instead of the 1....

If I do a CCA request does it cover all Agreements held by egg for all loans and the credit card??

Or do I need to do one for each??

Problem is as un1boy knows already....Egg have listed the one loan 3 times, all with different terms, monthly repayment amounts and different loan amounts!

2 of these are listed as settled.....one of the settled ones is the correct information.....for the actual loan I took out!

So if they cannot supply the CCA for the ones they made up??

Does that mean they are unenforcable????

i thought I would ask as Tamadus and Un1boy seem to be full of good info....lol

Cheers....

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Sorry to ask what could be a stupid question.....

I have 2 loans with EGG and 1 credit card....

My experian report lists 3 loans instead of the 1....

If I do a CCA request does it cover all Agreements held by egg for all loans and the credit card??

Or do I need to do one for each??

Problem is as un1boy knows already....Egg have listed the one loan 3 times, all with different terms, monthly repayment amounts and different loan amounts!

2 of these are listed as settled.....one of the settled ones is the correct information.....for the actual loan I took out!

So if they cannot supply the CCA for the ones they made up??

Does that mean they are unenforcable????

i thought I would ask as Tamadus and Un1boy seem to be full of good info....lol

Cheers....

Russ

 

Russ

 

Under these circumstances I would 'help' EGG.

At £1 each +£1 recorded - send them a CCA for each spelling out the account numbers....

 

then they really cannot muddy your waters

 

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I would.....but three of the listings on experians documents have no reference numbers, etc...

only 2 loans and 1 credit card are known to me....

The 3 remaining that EGG listed are made up by Egg....

So I do not know how to ask for copies of the CCA's, if neither of us have any loan agreement numbers, etc.....

They list the loan I actually signed up for as settled on the same day I took it out.....lol

Rather than list as defaulted they just listed my repayments as a new loan!

My bloody head hurts again.....lol

helllpppppp....lol

russ

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Sorry to ask what could be a stupid question.....

I have 2 loans with EGG and 1 credit card....

My experian report lists 3 loans instead of the 1....

If I do a CCA request does it cover all Agreements held by egg for all loans and the credit card??

Or do I need to do one for each??

Problem is as un1boy knows already....Egg have listed the one loan 3 times, all with different terms, monthly repayment amounts and different loan amounts!

2 of these are listed as settled.....one of the settled ones is the correct information.....for the actual loan I took out!

So if they cannot supply the CCA for the ones they made up??

Does that mean they are unenforcable????

i thought I would ask as Tamadus and Un1boy seem to be full of good info....lol

Cheers....

Russ

 

Hi Russ,

 

Now that is very interesting!

I have a cc with Humpty Dumpty (in dispute)

However, upon making an audit of my CRA credit files I found four entries, but one was shown as settled. Therefore, it looks as though I have had four Egg credit cards?

I considered long ago that my Egg information as shown on the CRA files was ambiguous, thus could give the wrong impression.

 

Make a Request under S77 & S78 of The Consumer Credit Act 1974, you only need to make one request, but remember to enclose a £1 postal order.

 

This matter hasd been troubling me for some time now, because undoubtedly egg will provide you with a copy of the true signed executed agreement but...and this is the crux of the matter, there is an issue here re: S85 CCA 1974 and Copies of Cancellation notices copies of Docs 1983, regulatation 7.

 

Most likeley I am barking up the wrong tree but I do smell a very rotten egg!!

 

AC

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Cheers angrycat,

I did a CCA request on 13th March 2007...

As yet No reply from EGG.....

But Moorcroft supplied a copy, with no assignment proof....

So I am now ignoring them.....

As they have no hold over me.....only EGG if they actually supply the agreement....lol

Moorcroft have only supplied the agreement for the original loan....

If EGG have told Experian and Equifax that it is settled, as they have done!

I guess they have No agreement for the new loans they listed with the CRA's.....

So I could argue that the genuine loan was settled.......lol

And dispute the one's they cannot prove exist....??

Or they will have to admit supplying CRA's with false information????

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Just a quick question everyone.

 

Now, I know that an overdraft doesn't come under the sec 77/78 requests, but, if a lender takes you to court over an od balance and they have no paperwork to prove you even opened the account, can they actually take action against you? Or, would they have to provide paperwork in court?

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Just a quick question everyone.

 

Now, I know that an overdraft doesn't come under the sec 77/78 requests, but, if a lender takes you to court over an od balance and they have no paperwork to prove you even opened the account, can they actually take action against you? Or, would they have to provide paperwork in court?

 

 

They don't need to provide paperwork to the court that an account as been opened just a POC stating the balance owed. It is up to you then, to admit or dispute the balance.

 

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They don't need to provide paperwork to the court that an account as been opened just a POC stating the balance owed. It is up to you then, to admit or dispute the balance.

 

Paul

 

To take this one step further: say this was a JOINT account with an OD, one joint account holder declares bankrupt, the other one not. The non bankrupt one is taken to court by the bank and disputes the amount and forces a full proof trial

Would the bank have to provide the original paperwork from when the account became joint to show joint liability, i.e. that the non bankrupt person signed for a joint liability on this account ?

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This is probably off topic but......am battling with Mint (my thread is Mint Triton Green & Co vs Me and this and a longer version is on it too), who are digging their heels in. In reply to my CCA, they sent me a copy of my application form (no credit limit, no APR, no account number, a stamp of a MINT 'authorised signature' etc.) and then a 2 page unsigned, undated agreement (with my name, address, account number, credit limit - tho it was only sent in response to the CCA, not when I rec'd the CC), which I am challenging. Letters are flying back and forth and here is an excerpt from their most recent response:

 

'under 7(1) (b) of the Consumer Credit (Cancellations Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983. Particularly 3(2) which permits the copy agreement not to show signatures or personal details that may have appeared on the application part of the document. There is no statutory requirement under the Act for us ever to give a copy to the customer with a signature on it'.

 

Is there any precedent in refuting this? If MINT is correct, my argument dissolves....or must they produce a signed copy if it goes to court? thanks in advance.....

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