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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Two vans just arrived about 1 hour ago,

 

I have not let them in nor spoke with them.

 

I have only asked them to stop harassing us, my wife has just had to have her leg amputated and has had to retire from work due to ill health and she has asked them via a written message to stop harassing a vulnerable person.

 

Having asked them to leave our property they did not and they have stated they are waiting to get a locksmith to gain entry to an outbuilding which is my workplace. This is clearly signed in a company name and contains only materials and equipment for my business.

 

Having not left at our request we have now blocked the entrance to our property with a car.

 

What rights do they have can we park a car on our property anywhere we like!

 

What should we do.

 

Obviously early replies will be appreciated as they are here!!

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My wife has again just asked them to leave and stop harassing her and told her to stay in the house as they will only deal with the gentleman. I have not given them my name nor responded to them calling my name. Having asked them to leave twice what can we do as my wife is now getting upset. They have been here 2 hours and told her they have a locksmith coming in 5 minutes. Should, if the locksmith attends, I photograph them gaining entrance into an obvious business premesis.

 

Cheers for any advice.

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load of cobberes

 

they cant use a locksmith anyhow

they are bluffing.

 

ask to see i'd

 

and CALL THE POLICE

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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oh and photograph them anyway now.

 

have you had court papers about this debt>??

 

did you know they were comingf?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Can the bailiff take a child's musical instrument what age is the child? did the child touch the bailiff trying to retrieve the sax, or as stated the bailiff grabbed the child? in this case the bailiff may well have assaulted your child but he may claim the child assaulted him also to gain police sympathy

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Did you defend the Court Case with the builder? If yes, then you have very little recourse here - you'll continue to be hounded by these people unless you can prove that you don't own any assets that are either of sufficient value, or are protected items, or belong to someone (or a company) else.

If you're a sole trader, they could potentially take any materials you have that are worth anything, but wouldn't be able to take any tools. There are certain protected items for a household also.

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so how did this pan out?

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Police attended and asked me to give them goods to the equivalent of the judgement. 4 hours later 3 police and 2 bailiffs and locksmith. Ended with police agreeing with bailiffs opened the door before they drilled it. They took exercise equipment belonging to disabled wife and some equipment for my business. Walk in possession on other equipment and a two cars, one does not belong to me other used for transport to work.

 

Police stayed throughout "only to prevent a breach of the peace"

 

Bailiff issued us with a

High court enforcement group ltd notice of seizure removed and inventory

 

Judgement debt

 

Judgement costs

 

Attendance / removal costs £960.00

 

Locksmith £240.00 + VAT

 

Storage TBC

 

Are these fees chargeable the locksmith was not used.

 

Also levied two cars one used to get to work and one registered to someone else and some equipment essential to my work

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Did you point out to them the walking possession on the car that didn't belong to you was invalid? And that the car was covered under the tools of trade restraint clause on their actions?

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Did you point out to them the walking possession on the car that didn't belong to you was invalid? And that the car was covered under the tools of trade restraint clause on their actions?

 

Did, but made no difference still levied

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Had some great advice from people on here, you know who you are, thank you!! though feel police are totally unhelpful basically asking us to allow them entry, can anyone comment on fees they think they will charge.

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Had some great advice from people on hear, you know who you are, thank you!! though feel police are totally unhelpful basically asking us to allow them entry, can anyone comment on fvees they think they will charge.

 

unfortunately the police often forget they are only there to keep the peace and actively assist the bailiff, as you pointed out certain items were exempt from levy, so the whole levy is probably invalid anyway. Others like tomtubby, and ploddertom who have already assisted you will be able to clarify and point your way forward.

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Sorry to hear this has panned out like this.

 

Going back to the very beginning I assume you knew about the original CCJ? When it wa awarded against you was it a "forthwith" Judgment or did you ask to be able to pay in instalments. If you disputed the Judgment what steps did you take?

 

Your claimant has taken the steps he has as no payment has been received and consequently had the original CCJ transferred up into a High Court Writ. It is normal practice for them just to arrive. I also assume as they have removed goods you were in no position to pay the sums asked for.

 

Thinking about some of the goods that have been removed - the equipment of your wife's was it an aid to her recovery, if so was it provided as such and along with any other items is it on finance. Were any of the goods or material removed from your workplace purchased on account or do you have clear title. The vehicle that is not yours - you must inform the owner immediately and they must file a claim that it belongs to them - they must provide proof of this.

 

Is it possible you can raise the funds to pay this off before your goods may be sold. The difficulty will be the added fees for removal & storage.

 

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