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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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No quite new, many DCAs are just parts of a very large debt purchase company, that will use 'trading styles' to make you believe there is another more powerful entity on your case, nonsense of course.

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Here we go! Got the first call today from Crapquest:

CQ: "Is that Mr tc5712"

Me "Yes"

CQ "OK before we can, blah can you please confirm, blah"

Me "No, please only contact me in writing"

CQ "But we have sent you letters" (Only one so far but wasn't going to engage).

Me "Yes, I know"

CQ "Well, we will contact you again, you realise that don't you"? (By phone or letter wasn't stated so for the time being benefit of the doubt offered).

Me "I look forward to it". CLICK!

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Capquest have now purchased the account it seems, this company has been getting more aggressive recently.

 

May be an idea to send the 'no telephone contact letter' from the CAG library.

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Just seen this in a youtube comment on dcas. Is it true?

 

If a Debt Collector buys a debt off a bank and then tries to claim you owe them..

 

By LAW, once a debt is paid, it's paid. So, if a Debt Collector buys your debt, it's classed as being paid and so you're not liable for it anymore?

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no that's FoTL twaddle

 

ignore it

 

every debt on here is alleged!

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just seen this in a youtube comment on dcas. Is it true?

 

If a Debt Collector buys a debt off a bank and then tries to claim you owe them..

 

By LAW, once a debt is paid, it's paid. So, if a Debt Collector buys your debt, it's classed as being paid and so you're not liable for it anymore?

 

 

NO such law exists, try to use FOTL nonsense in court and a Judge will laugh you out of court.

This rubbish can lead inexperienced users into big trouble.

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Just wondering if Capquest are new kids on the block as they don't seem to be very good?

 

By that I mean they are failing miserably trying to get hold of me?

 

I'm getting random texts to my mobile asking me to call them and quote Ref XXXX, erm no.

 

Then the odd call here and there from an auto dialer saying 'If you want to talk to us 'press 1'. Erm no again!

 

Or am I just very low priority as they know they're just chancing it?

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No, Crapquest have been around a good while, the texts are just the start believe me!!

They are very persistent over long periods of time so be aware of them!!

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Forward their textx to 7726 (SPAM on your keypad)

 

Doesn't work Bazooka, there's no number associated to the text. Just from the word 'Capquest', not that bothered about it though.

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There are quite a few of these discount letters being sent out at the moment.

 

Do please be aware that CQ are very litigatious.

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There are quite a few of these discount letters being sent out at the moment.

 

Do please be aware that CQ are very litigatious.

 

With no CCA citizenB? Asked for it from the first DCA Moorcroft 3 years ago and they could not provide.

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There is a distinct possibility that CQ COULD come up with a 'reconstituted' CCA and depending on when the agreement eas signed a judge MAY decide that with other evidence, that a liability subsists and the debt is payable.

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unfortunatly a lot of DJs accept that a paper trail is good enough and a reconstruction is o.k. the opposition representative will always push Carey judgment, even when you quote Kotecha as must have the whole agreement, comes down to judge lottery at the end of the day, am affraid that is the way this country works these days, be an institution and never get it right = they can get away with it , then you as an individual hardluck you pay, and legislation goes out of the window. (DJ stated court of appeal rules - 1, legislation = 0.

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unfortunatly a lot of DJs accept that a paper trail is good enough and a reconstruction is o.k. the opposition representative will always push Carey judgment, even when you quote Kotecha as must have the whole agreement, comes down to judge lottery at the end of the day, am affraid that is the way this country works these days, be an institution and never get it right = they can get away with it , then you as an individual hardluck you pay, and legislation goes out of the window. (DJ stated court of appeal rules - 1, legislation = 0.

 

It may be if interest (or surprising) that the judge allocated a case is more often than not selected because of the type of case tin which they have special knowledge.

 

The theory of judge lottery seems to mean if the judge has found in the individuals favour he/she is a bloody genius, find for the claimant and he/she is biased/ ignoring, ''THE LAW'', useless etc./etc.

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It may be if interest (or surprising) that the judge allocated a case is more often than not selected because of the type of case tin which they have special knowledge.

 

The theory of judge lottery seems to mean if the judge has found in the individuals favour he/she is a bloody genius, find for the claimant and he/she is biased/ ignoring, ''THE LAW'', useless etc./etc.

 

No!!! a DJ I have been involved with on two occassions ignored Legislation when presented with it, and commented that Appeal courts overide the said legislation, then went onto state that certain cases she had no knowledge of, yet on two seperate occasions the whole transcript of the cases involved I had given her at a previous hearing, she is a bad DJ and her own admission in the 1st case was "these cases change all the time and did not know what court of appeal cases referred to", hence she had copy I supplied on more than one occassion, then two years later whilst I was sitting in on another case repeated did not know Brandon cas or Kotchika etc, for which she was misleading those present, I was told to keep quiet.

 

In her own admission at the start of ther 2nd case words were" I will not be striking out this case) i.e. before it started? and no more time for evidence will be given, hang on it was the other side who has had 2.5 years to supply evidence and has not, also they ignore CPR31 request, late submissions of documents to used only sent with witness statements at a later date, (most documents was not their but the defendants) also they ignore cour oredrs to pay for case on time and so it went on and on. Her own admission couple of years ago was" If somebody had the money they pay it back regardless of actual situation and charges etc etc.

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I've often said LPs relying on case law/appeals need to know EXACTLY if that case law specifically relates to their problem/case.

 

The judges task at what ever level is to make a judgement on this relationship, and at any level a judgement can be appealed, in this District Courts to a circuit judge and so on up the line.

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I have a letter on file from Apex stating this debt is unenforceable in law from Jan 2011.

 

I don’t understand why this has changed? If Lloyds wanted to reconstitute a CCA they would have done so whilst they still owned the debt surely?

 

Can a DCA that has purchased a debt reconstitute a CCA even when there were obviously never involved until now?

 

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It may be if interest (or surprising) that the judge allocated a case is more often than not selected because of the type of case tin which they have special knowledge.

 

The theory of judge lottery seems to mean if the judge has found in the individuals favour he/she is a bloody genius, find for the claimant and he/she is biased/ ignoring, ''THE LAW'', useless etc./etc.

 

 

This remark could only have come from someone who has never been in a county court room and in front of a DJ in his life

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Phew!

 

I am of the opinion that DCA's can be given the silent treatment, after your contract is not with them, I know what it says in agreements about passing it to third parties etc, but the fact that banks are not whiter than white, and they then pass it to another corrupt industry to collect is, to me, indicative of the financial industry as a whole and the OC needs to take responsibility for it's actions.

 

I also have done this over the years.

 

I fact it's quite funny to see the sequence, how hysterical they get and then give it up.

 

If you make your living out of trying to frighten people and they totally ignore you, they just move onto another target.

 

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Just had another call from CQ, refused to answer security Q's and told them again to contact me only in writing.

 

The caller then went on and reeled off the dates that letters to me have supposedly been sent so far.

 

As I didn't confirm DPA questions this doesn't seem right?

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Then please do write a formal letter of complaint to their data controller informing them of this, in future when they ring, answer see who it is, respond with everything in writing, laugh and hang up, repeat process until they a) get bored and stop ringing, b) you have two or more calls that you can show the police to have the caller summonsed for the criminal offence of harassment c) get so irate they start using expletives, then laugh and hang up, and report them to your network provider using their malicious calls procedure.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Case of Roberts v Bank of Scotland Plc. on harrsement google it and see what you can achieve?

 

 

case report on Roberts v Bank of Scotland plc and another appeal – [2013] All ER (D) 88. This case was very interesting indeed, not least because the Bank of Scotland appealed having lost at the first instance and took the matter to the Court of Appeal and lost again.

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