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    • Plenty of success stories, also bear in mind not everyone updates the forum.  Overdale's want you to roll over and pay, without using your enshrined legal right to defend. make you wet yourself in fear that a solicitor will Take you to court, so you will pay up without question. Most people do just that,  but you are lucky that you have found this place and can help you put together a good defence. You should get reading on some other Capital One and Overdale's cases on the forum to get an idea of how it works.  
    • In both versions the three references to "your clients" near the end need to be changed to "you" or "your" as Alliance are not using solicitors, they have sent the LoC themselves. Personally I'd change "Dear ALLIANCE PARKING Litigation Dept" to "Dear Kev".  It would show you'd done your homework, looked up the company, and seen it's a pathetic one-man band rather than having any departments.  The PPCs love to pretend they have some official power and so you should be scared of them - showing you've sussed their sordid games and you're confident about fighting them undermines all this.  In fact that's the whole point of a snotty letter - to show you'd be big trouble for them if they did do court so better to drop you like a hot potato and go and pursue mugs who just give in instead. In the very, very, very, very unlikely case of Kev doing court, it'd be better that he didn't know in advance all the legal arguments you'd be using, so I'd heavily reduce the number of cards being played.
    • Thanx Londoneill get on to it this evening having a read around these forums I can’t seem to find many success stories using your methods. So how successful are these methods or am I just buying time for him  and a ccj will be inevitable in the end. Thanks another question is, will he have to appear at court..? I am not sure he has got it in him
    • Here's a suggested modified version for consideration by the team. (Not sure whether it still gives too much away?)   RE: PCN 4xxxxx Dear ALLIANCE PARKING Litigation Dept, Thank you for your dubious Letter Of Claim (dated 29th April 2024) of £100 for just 2 minutes of overstay. The family rolled around on the floor in amazement of the idea you actually think they’d accept this nonsense, let alone being confused over the extra unlawful £70 you added. Shall we raise the related VAT issue with HMRC, or perhaps the custodians of the unicorn grain silos? Apart from the serious GDPR breach you’ve made with the DVLA and your complete failure in identifying the driver, we’re dumbfounded that the PCN is still not compliant with the PoFA (2012 Schedule 4 Under Section 9.2.f) even after 12 years of pathetic trial and error. We also doubt a judge would be very impressed at your bone idleness and lack of due diligence regarding parking periods. Especially with no consideration of section 13 in your own trade association's code of practice and the topological nature of the Cornish landscape versus a traditional multi-storey. And don’t even get us started on the invisible signage during the ultra busy bank holiday carnage, that is otherwise known as the random parking chaos in the several unmarked, unmanaged over-spill fields, or indeed the tedious “frustration of contract” attempting to get a data connection to Justpark.  We suggest your clients drop this extreme foolishness or get an absolute hammering in court. We are more than ready to raise the above issues and more, with a fair minded judge, who will most likely laugh your clients out in less time than it takes to capture a couple of useless ANPR photos. If you insist on continuing this stupid, money grabbing quest, after having all of the above pointed out, we will of course show this letter to the Judge and request “an unreasonable costs order” under CPR 27.14.2.g and put it toward future taxis to Harlyn Bay instead.  We all look forward to your clients' deafening silence. Signed, "Spot". (Vehicle Keeper's pet Dalmation).
    • Paying DCA's one penny, never mind £50 per month is a mugs game, they have really been milking him as a cash cow   See where received a claim form is underlined in your post, you need to click, on that and read carefully, then answer the questions, then copy and paste into a post on this thread Forget the CAB ,  their advice is sometimes weird. Is it worth defending? Lowell brought these debts for 10 p in the pound , years ago, because they are flawed. Think about it! if it was such an easy win, Capital one could have taken it to court and crushed him.  It could be an invalid agreement, default notice, or many other things. In a nutshell , yes, and we can help you.
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update on my parking ticket,received a letter from solicitors today titled, notice of litigation informing me that court cost would add £207.25 to the £158 they want off me,any one know what i should expect next... cheers

 

Ignore just because they increase the price it doesn't make the claim any more valid!

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green an mean so you dont think it will get to court then.

 

No more than I did when the saga started. Its like poker they will keep upping the odds hoping you will 'fold' and pay up. Even if it did ever get to Court, they would have to prove a) you as the keeper are liable b) there was some sort of contract or loss involved c) the monies they are asking for is correct. With the costs of litigation with staff time spent on the case and attending Court etc they are never really going to make a profit on your case and if they lose it will deter more people from paying. If you consider all that the odds are always going to be in your favour.

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A quick work of caution: After ignoring PPC's demands for the past 18 months, I have been issued with a Statutory Demand (pre-petition for bankrupcy). I have applied for it to be set aside because I do not admit to the debt as their demand is based on an unlawful contractual penalty

 

Due to pending legal action I cannot provide more details at this stage, however do take note that a "new process" seems to be followed by the largests PPC in the UK. If there are any solicitors on this site, kindly PM me as I may require legal assistance? So far I'm following the advice on this site, use logic and hope for the best, however I may be a test case?

 

Many thanks - the mozzie

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The Mozzie vs. Loans.co.uk / MBNA / Bank of America

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Breach of Data Protection Act 1998 and Money Laundering Regulations 2003 - dont ask me I am still studying these up!

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Hi Cardiff Devil,

 

It is a PPC, no council and no railway bylaws, no credit or loan agreement, just demands to settle their "parking contravention charge notices" based on their standard terms. Their "proof" is the letters of demand posted to me, and my not paying them.

 

I think a new strategy may hit a number of readers, and this one is serious. If you do not apply to set aside a statutory demand, insolvency proceedings could follow.

 

I have requested the demand be put aside and also directions from a Judge, and will let you know how things pan out.

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The Mozzie vs. Loans.co.uk / MBNA / Bank of America

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Breach of Data Protection Act 1998 and Money Laundering Regulations 2003 - dont ask me I am still studying these up!

:D

 

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Did they get a judgement in default ? i.e. they issued a claim and you ignored it ? How much was it for ? more than £750 ? ?

 

Hi Lamma,

 

No judgement in default, no court claims, nothing. Just went straight for a Statutory Demand. I cant confirm the amount as I suspect "that side" will also be on this site, but it was well above £750, including a hellova lot of additional fees and interest at 9,5 APR. I have a good defence, based on their T's &C's which they issued to me which do not include any provisions for charges or interest rates. In my view the demand is unlawful, but let's see what a Judge says.

The Mozzie vs. Loans.co.uk / MBNA / Bank of America

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:D

 

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Hi I received my first Roxburghe debt collection letter last week demanding £122 for stopping a vehicle in a no stopping area to Luton Airport, APCOA Parking were the ones who sent the first letter and I ignored. I initially rang them when i got the letter to ask what it was for and they stated it must have been when i was dropping of someone at the airport. I was at Luton Airport but i was attending a meeting and did not drop anyone off!.

 

I have now started getting telephone calls from them and I am a little worried aftet MissQToe's post about them going for a statutory demand. I have a good credit score and do not want it affected by these sharks.

 

Should i hold my ground?

 

Sharon

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Hello Sharon, welcome to the forum. The guys don't seem to be around at the moment, but I suspect you will receive the same advice as everyone else, being to ignore any contact. You've made things a bit more difficult for yourself by going along with their game, but I imagine you'll be able to row back from this and save your money.

 

Have a read around the forum while you're waiting for replies. Generally, these companies are desperate to raise money from unsuspecting punters, but the guys here will tell you for sure. Don't contact APCOA until you've had some answers. The guys know their stuff.

 

My best, HB

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By hassling you over the phone, they're probably trying to make you slip up by identifying who the driver was. Next time they call, simply state that you do not wish to discuss the issue over the phone, for them to contact the driver by writing, and that any future phonecalls will be ignored.

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Hi guys.

I'm a first-timer here, but have read loads of your advice and already feeling reassured.

Yesterday, I had an excess charge notice from Central Ticketing posted on my windscreen at Moorfield Retail Park in Bury. I needed a few items from Halfords, but first nipped across the road for a couple of minutes to use the loo (there are none on-site). Returned and bought my items from Halfords, then found the ticket, citing non-patron abuse. They want £100, reduced to £65 if I pay within 14 days, but adding on adminstration costs if I don't pay, and threatening court actions, bailiffs, etc. Went back in to Halfords to complain. Assistant told me it had nothing to do with Halfords - usually a couple of shifty guys sitting in the far corner of the car park, watching for vicitms, then sneakily iissuing the tickets as soon as drivers are out of sight.

Now that I've read all the advice,on this site, I know that I should ignore it. I also understand that I mustn't divulge the identity of the driver when I hear from them. One point I'm not sure about - is it best to just ignore everything they are going to send, or should I send an initial reply, refuting their claim and advising them to take up the issue with the driver, who I refuse to name and tell them all future correspondence will be ignored?

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Never reply to them in any shape or form to admit or deny anything. Leave them digging on their own.

 

btw, does their form actually call it an "Excess Charge"? If so they are already being very naughty trying to make it sound like a council car park "ECN"

 

I presume it ia a free car park, so how on earth can they come up with a ticket citing "Excess Charge" when there isn't a charge in the first place if it isn't for the sole purpose of conning you into thinking it's ligit.

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Yes, it says "Excess Charge." in bold lettering underneath a coat of arms with a yellow and black colour scheme to make it look like it comes from a local authority - which it obviously doesn't. BTW it's a free car park "for patrons of the retail unit" - so you're right - I don't see how it can be classed as an excess charge if there is no charge in the first place.

I'm going to completely ignore, then report back here when I receive my first correspondence from them

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update on my parking ticket ,ive just received a letter from the solicitors headed FINAL WARNING and that i have 14 days to either pay or tell them who was driving at the time. they also say they are applying to the court under civil procedural rules 31.16 disclosure before proceedings start. this is as follows..31.16(3) the court may make order under this rule where: (a)the respondant is likely to be a party to subsequent proceedings; (d) disclosure before proceedings have started is desirable in order to (i) dispose fairly of the anticipated proceedings (ii) assist the dispute to be resolved without proceedings;or (iii) save costs. so what they are saying is that i would come under the dfinition of "likely" to be a party to any proceedings they may initiate. what do you guys think..

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They are being "economical with the truth" as civil procedural rules 31.16 does not apply to the Small Claims Track. Was this letter from Graham White/ Michael Sobell/Roxbourgh ? If so, they are well known for pulling this stunt.

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Hello there. I think, fwiw, that if you read the letter carefully you will find it full of 'may', 'might', 'could' and similar words. Is it from any of the people DBC mentions?

 

It's highly unlikely you have a problem, you could just be playing into their hands. Keep your hard-earned cash and consider donating 10% of what you would have paid when the threatening letters stop arriving.

 

My best, HB

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There you go then, :).

 

If you still don't believe us, google to find templates of letters from private parking companies or the names you mention. I can't remember what the exact phrase is, but you're very likely to find them. You'll probably have a good game of Snap!

 

My best, HB

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