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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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WOW! What a waste of money. IMO


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I know we all love our pets, but surely the money could have been used for better causes. Please don't slate me for my opinion, but I know without a lottery win, I will never have that much money in my life.

 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with it at all. It's up to all of us as individuals to decide how we spend our money, and if that's how she chose to spend it good for her. I wish I had that kind of money but it's not her fault that I don't and she does. Had I the money and been in the same situation with my dog when he was alive I'd have done the same thing. This is someone she's shared her life with for 30 years. How can you look someone you've lived with for 30 years in the eye and not do something when you have the oportunity to make them better. I'm afraid I'm one of them folks who would do anything for her pets. In my opinion what better cause is there than helping a sick friend. I'm one of those who thinks that animals are just as important as people. This parrot may have meant more to her than some of the people in her life. I really don't see what's wrong with it.

 

P.S. No slating, just sharing my thoughts on it :-). If I were her, I possibly would have done the same.

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How can you look at someone you've lived with for 30 years in the eye and not do something when you have the opportunity to make them better.

 

You've obviously not met my wife:p

 

 

I'm afraid I'm one of them folks who would do anything for her pets.

 

But would they do the same for you? Will they bring you food when you need it?

 

I love pets myself, Dogs and cats get accepted as more human than budgies and the likes, it's just what happens. If I had a parrot for 30 years and had the choice of paying 50K plus for cancer treatment, or donating that 50K to help treat a child with cancer (even if I didn't know them). I would choose the latter. I would even give the money to a leading cancer charity before trying to fight a losing battle.

 

If the treatment was successful, it wouldn't have been for long as the dodgy budgie was on it's way out anyway.

 

 

If all else fails, kick them where it hurts and SOD'EM;)

 

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I just love all creatures that's all, and I believe it's up to her to decide what's a willing cause with her own money. I'd go mad if somebody tried to tell me how I should spend my money, regardless of how small or large the ammount.

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Mrs Lex is NOT going to read this tread, we have enough strays as it is (me included) :)

 

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The point I was hoping to make was that it's her money to do with as she see's fit, as is our money :)

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I'll tell you what, the only animal I truly love is the cat, they totally kick ass, dogs are all well and good but they tend to be big and messy, or just big, or just messy, in either case it's annoying to have around.

 

Cats sleep half the time, show you affection when they're awake and the only bad point is when they start pestering you for food when you genuinely can't be arsed to move :p

 

My mum has 4 cats, Tex, Iggy, Lilly and Rio.

 

Tex is completely black apart from white paws, and an INCREDIBLY stylish white strip down the center of his chin, never seen such a lovely looking cat.

 

Iggy is mental, he attacks your feet (never hurts you) when he's in a wierd mood and curls up in his own little corner of the sofa.

 

In the end, I find cats far more agreeable and manageable than dogs.

 

Makes me wonder who mans best friend really is, although dogs only retain this title as some of them actually jump into lakes to save humans, a cat would be like "WTF?1 I'M OUTTA HERE!".

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What a waste, I agree. Surely the wee birdy would have suffered with all the chemo, Ive seen first hand what it does to us humans, so god knows how the wee feathered critter must have been feeling.

 

If that was my pet I would have said enough is enough and dont let the bird suffer anymore.

 

Ive also been there first hand with our dog and a severe illness and spoke to the vet that if the worse comes to the worse then let her sleep away rather than have her suffering.

 

Thank goodness she is now as healthy as she can be for a diabetic half blind dog!!! and still as daft as a brush if not worse than she ever was.:D

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I just love all creatures that's all, and I believe it's up to her to decide what's a

willing cause with her own money. I'd go mad if somebody tried to tell me how

I should spend my money, regardless of how small or large the amount.

 

 

Yeah!! I'm with you 100% with that..

I read this story in this mornings Metro and was quite choked

up whilst reading it..

 

The Mirror's byline for the article is absolutely appalling too, they

should know better... The bottom line is in their own article.....

 

But Anne, in her 50s, is grateful it meant a few more months with the pet

she had raised for 30 years. The tax expert, who owns 11 other parrots

in Tampa, Florida, said: "When they said she had cancer, they gave her

two months to live. It seemed such an aggressive time frame, so I thought

nothing of putting her into the vets' care.

 

 

"We got an extra 11 months and the staff ended up loving her as much as we did."

IMHO people should be less quick to judge others using their own wealth

for the welfare of their loved ones, even be-it a pet. 30 years is a long

long time to care for a pet, more than double the life span of most cats

and dogs.

 

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Well as she was emotionally attached to that parrot and good for her she must of thought it was money well spent.

 

I have just spend nearly £5000 on my dog who had a broken leg and i consider it money well spent as she means everything to me.

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Sorry peeps, didn't mean to sound insensitive. I had a dog of 18 years and it was the vet whom advised me to put her to sleep. I took the advice and let it happen.

 

My uncle got given 3 months (at the most to live) 8 years ago, but lasted over 2 years with only pain medication. Who's to say the parrot would not have done the same thing (for free). They expected the parrot to live for 2 months, when in fact they got 9 so she got an extra 7.

 

I have just realised that it was in the US so in fact it does not surprise me that a vet would take that kind of money to let a poor animal suffer for another 7 months unnecessarily.

 

 

If all else fails, kick them where it hurts and SOD'EM;)

 

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Iv'e had kittens put down before (had swelling on it's cranium preventing it from functioning properly), so i've been on both sides of the fence.

 

In the end I look at things logically, my own wellbeing comes first, if I have to put my pet to sleep to fall behind on bills, I would pay the bills, but thats me.

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"We got an extra 11 months and the staff ended up loving her as much as we did."

 

I'm sure the staff loved the paycheque more!

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I have been on both sides. When my dog passed 2 years ago we had to put him to sleep. It wasn't a choice, we knew the time had come. There was no more they could do for him and he was already going, painfully, (he was old and had arthiritis). It was the right thing to do. I did not want him to be in pain. I think it's easy to read off a news report and make a judgement, but only the owner of the animal and the vets know the animal, have seen it, and can judge the quality of life it's getting and make that ultimate decision. I can't imagine any animal lover purposley putting their pet through pain if they didn't think it was for the best for the animal and if the animal wasn't showing signs of getting better. From what I understood from the article it was 2 months if they did nothing, if they tried they might get more time or it may even cure her, as is the case with people, you don't know sometimes unless you try. I would imagine (and deeply hope) that had it come to a point during treatment that it was becoming too much for the animal or detremental they would have stopped.

 

We all have different opinions. That's the beauty of a forum like this. I just hope that if anyone has a sick animal that they cannot afford to treat they look at other options before putting to sleep (if it's a case of can be treated but owner can't afford). There are many charaties out there now that can help. Taking on any animal is a responsibility and one that I think should be taken seriously. It's a life, not a toy.

 

P.S. Sod'em, no offense taken chuck, you are merely stating (in a non offensive way) your opinion

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