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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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According to paragraph 3.5 of the signed contract:

 

Subject always to paragraph 3.6, where either of us terminates the contract (otherwise than in accordance with paragraphs 7.1, 10.1.2 or 10.1.3), we shall refund to you your course fee less any reasonable costs and expenses that we have incurred or are bound to incur in connection with the course and/or the contract.

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According to paragraph 3.5 of the signed contract:

 

Subject always to paragraph 3.6, where either of us terminates the contract (otherwise than in accordance with paragraphs 7.1, 10.1.2 or 10.1.3), we shall refund to you your course fee less any reasonable costs and expenses that we have incurred or are bound to incur in connection with the course and/or the contract.

 

I have no 3.6 in my Contract ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

it only goes up to 3.3 ************

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Did I remember to say ****

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Does anyone know what this means?

 

10.1.1 - In the event that we make any voluntary arrangement with our creditors or become subject to an administration order or go into liquidation (except for the purposes of amalgamation or reconstruction and in such manner that the company resulting there from effectively agrees to be bound by or assume the obligations imposed on that other party under this agreement)

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it sounds like they are saying that if they go into liquidation if they(in this case being barclays i assume) find another company to take on responsibility for the courses and students then everything should carry on as normal. though personally i would be very unhappy with this situation as the agreement i have is with advent, surely if this changes i should have a right to cancel.

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Does anyone know what this means?

 

10.1.1 - In the event that we make any voluntary arrangement with our creditors or become subject to an administration order or go into liquidation (except for the purposes of amalgamation or reconstruction and in such manner that the company resulting there from effectively agrees to be bound by or assume the obligations imposed on that other party under this agreement)

 

I think this is what just happened to advent. This paragraph is under the point 10. "Termination"

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Had the same e-mail folks, and checked the website and it's confirmed on there. Been on the MCSE course for just over 2 years now and am absolutely fuming about this! £5k and god knows how many hours of my time down the toilet by the looks of it! :mad::mad:

 

I've got a feeling there are many, many more people out there in the same boat. NOT GOOD!

 

Hi, I have also been with Advent for equally as long doing the MCSE coures... by chance, do you have the T & C's? from when you signed up?

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Well, Well, This is not a Boat this is the Titanic, I'm in the same, I call Barclays this Morning and the Person I speak with told me that they Haven't Recieve any Confirmation from advent that they have go into Administration, but she say that they know and they will find another Training Provider or a Refound of my money, And she told me to keep Paying the Loan until they sort out with Advent haha! well, as well I call they person who Sold me the Course wich is MCSE £6,861.60 and no answer, I send a text to her and she Reply today "Hi there I'm abroad on Holiday Ill be back the 8th" and calling Advent the only thing you Hear is "Nobody is aviable to answer your call"

 

What we going to do??? :)

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Well, Well, This is not a Boat this is the Titanic, I'm in the same, I call Barclays this Morning and the Person I speak with told me that they Haven't Recieve any Confirmation from advent that they have go into Administration, but she say that they know and they will find another Training Provider or a Refound of my money, And she told me to keep Paying the Loan until they sort out with Advent haha! well, as well I call they person who Sold me the Course wich is MCSE £6,861.60 and no answer, I send a text to her and she Reply today "Hi there I'm abroad on Holiday Ill be back the 8th" and calling Advent the only thing you Hear is "Nobody is aviable to answer your call"

 

What we going to do??? :)

 

dont pay. , report it to westmidlands news.. we all petition this is very unfair. im slowly going insane, mite go on rambo spree and just slaughter everything on sight!

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i guess it's just a waiting game now to see what barclays say, i am currently seeking further legal advice on the matter (i'll will of course put anything up that might be of interest to anyone) i strongly suggest everyone else do the same even if it only be going to your local CAB

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dont pay. , report it to westmidlands news.. we all petition this is very unfair. im slowly going insane, mite go on rambo spree and just slaughter everything on sight!

 

Can I go with you So we go more like the A-Team than Rambo??? :lol:

Hey what you think? should I cancel my direct Debit or something, I'm not F**** Paying that amout off with no training :) I'm just waiting to see what the hell they say!

:-x:-x:-x:-x:-x:-x

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Hi, I have been in contact with BBC news Birmingham where Advent are based and Sky news and have just had an interview via telephone regarding this. They are taking up the story and would like to hear from anyone involved, they were under the impression that it was only affecting people who lived in the local area and not those living miles away - I'm in Kent! BBC News posted a comment on this blog with their phone number earlier- please give them a call. I am totally in with writing to BBC Watchdog

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Hi, I have been in contact with BBC news Birmingham where Advent are based and Sky news and have just had an interview via telephone regarding this. They are taking up the story and would like to hear from anyone involved, they were under the impression that it was only affecting people who lived in the local area and not those living miles away - I'm in Kent! BBC News posted a comment on this blog with their phone number earlier- please give them a call. I am totally in with writing to BBC Watchdog

Well is bloddy affecting me as well, and I'm from York, I think we all have to do something and get together and Call or Whatever, cause is a big amount of money they are playing with :(

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This was on another site - let us all raise the profile of this situation:

"Hello, in the Midlands Today TV newsroom at BBC Birmingham we have a reporter working on this story right now.

Could some of you affected by this please call 0121 567 6104.

Advent is based in our area. Midlands Today."

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spoken to barclays just now for my Career Development loan,

she says in the bottom of that paragraph in any of the contracts with barclays, they are stated you signed in the dotted line that you are liable to pay every penny for this course even if the course FAILS to carry on.

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spoken to barclays just now for my Career Development loan,

she says in the bottom of that paragraph in any of the contracts with barclays, they are stated you signed in the dotted line that you are liable to pay every penny for this course even if the course FAILS to carry on.

Whaaaaaaaat?

That can't be posible, how I'm paying something I'm not using, Ok Barclays, give me my 6K back and I will pay you then, No, no, no, If I have to go to Court to kick A** I will do, anyway I haven't see this in the contract I Have, Anyway, the woman told something different to me so, I will se what happen in couple of days :D

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spoken to barclays just now for my Career Development loan,

she says in the bottom of that paragraph in any of the contracts with barclays, they are stated you signed in the dotted line that you are liable to pay every penny for this course even if the course FAILS to carry on.

 

With regards to this I have read through my Barclays Finance agreement paperwork and I saw this

 

"If you recieved unsatisfactory goods or services paid for under this agreement you may have the right to sue the suppier, us or both."

 

and

 

"If the contract is not fulfilled, perhaps because the supplies has gone out of business, you may still be able to sue us"

 

Looks like it may be that I paid my loan off in October last year to avoid doubling my initial amount

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i spoke to barclays this morning regarding the money im paying for the course, i managed to cancel the dd, but they have arleady taken out this months fee, also i asked the whole advent thing how they have gone bust and do we get our money bk, the guy over the phone told me that there is noway i can get it back as it was not a dd set up it was a standing order. lol i hope they was joking!

has any1 heard from the cab on what we can do?

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