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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Although I have disputed the account based on charges, I have received(yet again) a reply from capquest stating that they have been instructed by capone to carry on with collection activities, capone will deal with the dispute (they have only offered a £12 refund :eek: ), surely capquest arent allowed to pursue a disputed account.

 

Capq are only collecting on behalf of capone - the account has not been assigned.

 

Currently dealing with three bereavements within eight days and can well do without these leeces at the moment. :(

 

Any advice would be most welcome.

 

just file em and ignore em until your ready to deal with them

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Hi Beachy and sorry to hear what you're going through just now.

 

As DD says, ignore until you have time to deal with them - they're not worth worrying about. :)

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Hi Beachy

sorry to hear what you going through,Maybe DD right as you have made it clear enough in several letters to Crap one and Capquest that account in dispute and that you strongly believe they dont have an enforceable cca and some people on my thread think they have shreedded most of them from the earlier sort of times we took our cards out.Capquest know this Crapital one know this and you know this! They woud be stupid to try and escalate it .i think i saw on Zazen wariers thread that she saw hl legal and capquest off with some letters she used on her thread! Maybe if you look at her tactics and letters ,if you still anxious to send them something but you have made it clear to them now you kow your rights which is the important thing.

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Nothing to add beachy, but just wanted to say how sorry I am you're having to deal with so much in such a short time.

 

I hope things pick up for you soon.

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Sorry to hear about your bereavements, Beachy.

 

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Great news Beachy! I glad you saw them off ok :D

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Thank you one & all.

 

We are quite touched by the messages on this wonderful forum, we consider you all as our 'special friends' who we will probably never meet, although we hope that one day we will have that opportunity.

 

As for CQ, it was certainly a tonic to get them off my back, I'm sure it wont be long before the next one swims to the surface for a bite - still now that C1 have put it in writing that there IS a dispute it should be easier for me.

 

As they say Onwards & Upwards :)

 

Have a good weekend.

 

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You have a good w/e too Beachy.

 

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HELP - WILL THESE EVER GET OFF MY BACK

 

Need some more help here please guys, has Ellie Left ? Patrica Chadwick now writing.

 

'Thank you for writing to CQ advising them that your account is in dispute because you do not agree with the documentation you received from us. I am disappointed you feel these documents are incorrect.

 

I have sent a copy of this letter to CQ to advise them we have sent you a copy of the alledged agreement contained within s78 (1) Consumer Credit Act 1974. Therefore we believe the documentation sent to you to be correct and for that reason we do not consider this account to be in dispute.

 

As a result, we have instructed CQ to continue further collection of your account on our behalf.

 

Please be aware, we will continue to pursue the outstanding debt and as we do not consider this account to be in dispute, I would remind you that you are bound by the terms & conditions of your credit agreement and are obliged to maintain payments and repay your outstanding balance.

 

Please contact CQ to arrange payment of the outstanding balance.

 

Your letter to CQ mentioned we may be in violation of various acts, guidelines and regulations.

 

Please be aware that our agreements are drafted by legal professionals and are monitored to ensure compliance with current regulations and the commercial enviroment. We are therefore confident that the terms of our agreements are fair and enforceable and will strongly defend any claim making allegations to the contrary.

 

I trust I have explained things clearly, however, if you have any more questions about this, please write back to me within four weeks. My address details are in the leaflet I have included, which also outlines our complaints procedure. If I do not hear from you again within the four weeks, I will consider that you are happy with my response and that your complaint is closed'.

 

 

NO MENTION OF UNFAIR CHARGES THAT THEY WONT REFUND

 

Beachy

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HELP - WILL THESE EVER GET OFF MY BACK

 

Need some more help here please guys, has Ellie Left ? Patrica Chadwick now writing.

 

'Thank you for writing to CQ advising them that your account is in dispute because you do not agree with the documentation you received from us. I am disappointed you feel these documents are incorrect.

 

I have sent a copy of this letter to CQ to advise them we have sent you a copy of the alledged agreement contained within s78 (1) Consumer Credit Act 1974. Therefore we believe the documentation sent to you to be correct and for that reason we do not consider this account to be in dispute.

 

As a result, we have instructed CQ to continue further collection of your account on our behalf.

 

Please be aware, we will continue to pursue the outstanding debt and as we do not consider this account to be in dispute, I would remind you that you are bound by the terms & conditions of your credit agreement and are obliged to maintain payments and repay your outstanding balance.

 

Please contact CQ to arrange payment of the outstanding balance.

 

Your letter to CQ mentioned we may be in violation of various acts, guidelines and regulations.

 

Please be aware that our agreements are drafted by legal professionals and are monitored to ensure compliance with current regulations and the commercial enviroment. We are therefore confident that the terms of our agreements are fair and enforceable and will strongly defend any claim making allegations to the contrary.

 

I trust I have explained things clearly, however, if you have any more questions about this, please write back to me within four weeks. My address details are in the leaflet I have included, which also outlines our complaints procedure. If I do not hear from you again within the four weeks, I will consider that you are happy with my response and that your complaint is closed'.

 

 

NO MENTION OF UNFAIR CHARGES THAT THEY WONT REFUND

 

Beachy

 

You could ask to visit their offices and inspect the alleged agreement... their procedures as confirmed to me in their defence is to scan the front page only.

 

Until they show you a document with the prescribed terms signed by yourself and them then its unenforceable.

 

and in any event... they state their agreements are compliant with current legislation.. well thats not hard now with s127(3) repealed the bag of a fag packet could count as an agreement(extreme I know).

 

S.

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I offered that diddydicky and they stated that they had no facilities to entertain guests to inspect their agreements, oh what surprise, another excuse to not show us.

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:D You guys have certainly lifted my spirits on what has been an absolute sh*t day.

 

I wanted to go to Nottingham to view the original as its the only way to resolve this dispute, should I point out to them that the alledged agreement doesn't fall under 'current' legislation and that as I have already been terminated surely I dont have an agreement to abide by?

 

Room for three if I can get an appointment :)

 

Beachy

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Noffing at all, I would think the board room would have been good enough for us, don't you, wiv real china cups (wots one of them? ) and saucers.

Keefy (:-)The "Moaner":rolleyes:)Boy

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I suppose that now C1 have sent me my sar, (I am still trying to wade through it all) and I've stopped paying as my account is definately still indispute, they will try a CQ on me soon... corr I'm saving a whole £3 a month by not paying them, how many months before I can buy a round down the pub anyone any ideas please?

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[quote= Should I point out to them that the alledged agreement doesn't fall under 'current' legislation and that as I have already been terminated surely I dont have an agreement to abide by?

 

Beachy

 

Any thoughts on the above

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I want to joinn you all too! :D

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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