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    • An update to this case as I’ve not been on in a while.    I am still awaiting a charging decision in the case. The two police officers involved have said their personal belief is a section 47 ABH charge is the most likely outcome but this isn’t a sure thing of course.    The EA certificate from the issuing court has now lapsed. The court have refused to recertify him until they’ve had a hearing in to the case, and the district judge has issued orders to surrender all evidence, footage, photos etc.    I have done so promptly.    the EA, not so much . Equita have claimed they cannot provide his bodycam footage as the camera he was wearing is the EA personal one not one of theirs.   the EA has claimed he has asked Equita and the police for the footage as he claims he doesn’t have it.    the police have confirmed they didn’t seize his camera and they don’t have it.    so they are basically pointing the finger at each other all the while failing to comply with the district judges order to provide all evidence they intend to rely on at the rescheduled hearing.    The district judge has stated the hearing for his certification will NOT be the hearing for my complaint as there is no charge as of yet, and just as to whether he should be recertified or not.    I’m not 100% on why that can’t be done at the time, but I’m not about to question a judge…..      
    • Thanks FTMDave, I like the cut of your jib - I'll go with that and obtain proof of postage. Encouraging that NPE have never followed through and seem to blowing hot air, let's see where they go after this   Regards
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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
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You didn't open it?

 

But that might have been their final letter that said; "We are sorry have ever troubled you with our invalid and annoying charge. In view of all the upset we may have caused you please find enclosed a cheque for £50 as our appology."

And the winning numbers for this fridays euromillions draw, But now you will never know.

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Well the LRC legal recoveries letter arrived. As Greenabee18 pointed out, no signature and the content seems to suggest that I was the driver at the alleged time. They are just making things up now.

 

I wonder what the actual percentage is of folk being duped by this [problem]??

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Hi, just recevied a letter from LRC informing me that if my outstanding account is not paid by the end of January,they will have no alternative to proceed with court proceedings against me to include a claim for costs ,interest etc,the letter has no signature just a stamp,saying yours faithfully legal recoveries &collections,anyone know what the next step is,or when they will go away.This is the fourth letter i have received since the start of this farce.

 

many thanks

liz

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Hi, just recevied a letter from LRC informing me that if my outstanding account is not paid by the end of January,they will have no alternative to proceed with court proceedings against me to include a claim for costs ,interest etc,the letter has no signature just a stamp,saying yours faithfully legal recoveries &collections,anyone know what the next step is,or when they will go away.This is the fourth letter i have received since the start of this farce.

 

many thanks

liz

 

Well Liz, i recieved another letter, stating that if i do not pay up by the 28th of Jan, they will start proceedings. Why didn't they do it before? this is like the 10th letter saying that i am going to court. LOL!

 

Also the dodgy stamp at the bottom is still there! why don't they make a name up like IVAN .A. DUPE? It's so laughable!

 

well i am sticking by my fully loaded guns till the end!

 

LIZ=preservere and IGNORE!!!!:p

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Hey guys, well they have passed me onto a debt collector LRC Ltd!

They said i must pay 115.00 by the 17th december otherwise they will be no alternative but to commence court proceedings against me, to include a claim for costs and interest, without further notice.

 

also they state "Upon entering the car park you agreed to be bound by the terms and conditions that were placed at the entrance of the car parking, and in prominent places within"

 

Firstly, how the hell do they know whether the signs are in prominent places!, have they travelled especially to my town to check?

 

Secondly, why is there no proper signature at the bottom, i mean there is a signature but it is legal recoveries + collections limited!

Now this does not look right! it appears that it has been signed in pen then scanned onto the document!

 

Thirdly, this makes me laugh! it states YOURS FAITHFULLY

Faithful! I don't think so sonny!!!!

what a load of old cobblers!

 

Has anyone else recieved a letter like this! probably loads especially as they need the cash for their christmas party and bonus!

Well my purse is firmly closed!

put that in your pipe and smoke it!

 

 

 

I HAVE RECIEVED A LETTER LIKE THAT ASWELL STATING IF I DONT PAY TODAY I WILL GO TO COURT!

I HAVE APPEALED TO THEM AND TOLD THEM THE REASON I WAS NOT 'PARKED' OVER THE ALLOCATED TIME AS IT WAS COMING UO TO CHRISTMAS AND THE CARPARK WAS PACKED SO IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET A SPACE AS I WAS HAVING TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO LEAVE ALONG WITH THE OTHER CARS WAITING TO GET IN. THEY DROPPED THE FINE TO £40 BUT THEN ATHENA SENT A THRETENING LETTER STATING £90 AFTER LIDL SAID £40 SO NOW IM IGNORING THEM, BECAUSE I APPEALED DO U THINK THEY WILL REALLY TAKE THIS FURTHER

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I HAVE RECIEVED A LETTER LIKE THAT ASWELL STATING IF I DONT PAY TODAY I WILL GO TO COURT!

I HAVE APPEALED TO THEM AND TOLD THEM THE REASON I WAS NOT 'PARKED' OVER THE ALLOCATED TIME AS IT WAS COMING UO TO CHRISTMAS AND THE CARPARK WAS PACKED SO IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET A SPACE AS I WAS HAVING TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO LEAVE ALONG WITH THE OTHER CARS WAITING TO GET IN. THEY DROPPED THE FINE TO £40 BUT THEN ATHENA SENT A THRETENING LETTER STATING £90 AFTER LIDL SAID £40 SO NOW IM IGNORING THEM, BECAUSE I APPEALED DO U THINK THEY WILL REALLY TAKE THIS FURTHER

No it highly unlikely they will take this any further (0000.1%) however you will probably receive some more bumf. In this sort of [problem] they treat people who appeal as a "hooked fish" and persist a little bit longer with their threat-o-grams. Just ignore them is the best policy.

 

P.S. Turn your caps lock off. Some people will think you're shouting.

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P.S. Turn your caps lock off. Some people will think you're shouting.

 

Also, I am sure some people (like me) actually find it harder to read text in CAPS rather than in standard typing.

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I got 6 letters in total, 3 from Athena and another 3 from LRC (in other words, Athena changing the letter font and colour). Not heard anything for couple of months now. Took my advice from others on this very useful consumer forum and ignored. It is a [problem] and the DVLA should be ashamed for selling our private details on to private companies like these.

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Hi guys, has anyone actually been taken to court by this company.

 

As far as I am aware Athena don't do court.

I note the posts on here are a few months old now. Did the debt collection agency just "go away"?

 

If you ignore them, there is nothing else they can do, but just go away.

 

Appologies for dragging up an old thread but I've just got one of these tickets. Thanks in advance.

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After the first letter requesting info from the registered keeper asking for information regarding who was driving the car (which they have no authority to request anyway), subsequent letters jump to the conclusion that it was the registered keeper responsible. They must prove you were driving the car. They cannot do this unless you tell them. What I'm trying to say is, without any substantive evidence that you were the driver, taking such a wishy washy claim to civil court would fail. They know this and the cost that it would involve and they would most likely lose due to the ridiculous penalty sum they ask for anyway!

They play the odds and unfortunately, many people worry and pay the demand. For the cost of 6 stamps, if they can scare you into paying their demand, they've made a very very tidy profit.

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I have just registered with this site purely to thank you all for your advice on this matter. You put my mind at ease. I will be ignoring my 'Charge Certificate. Does not lesson some of the anger though.

 

FYI. I called Lidl to complain and their customer advisor seemed completely indifferent to the issue. Quite irritating. He was obviously stating the the company line and seemed perfectly at ease when I explained how this company operates. Believe me I do try not to cynical but at times my patience is sorely tested.

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Hi i received my final notice from LRC,informing me that if i did not pay the £115 fine i could be taken to court,this was on February and i just ignored the letter,as per the advice given on here,i have not heard anything since,so to anyone in the same position i reiterate the advice given on here,do not contact them at all and ignore all letters.many thanks for all the advice.

 

Regards

Liz.

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hi

i know how you feel, you obviously don't want any hassle.

I received a parking ticket on the 19th feb in lidl car park and received a leter dated 23rd feb asking for £90, i had a look at this forum (thank god!) and took the advice to ignore it.

Another letter arrived 10th March (final reminder), another letter 25th March (notice of collection proceedings). I kept checking back with the forum as I was really nervous.

Letter 21st May from LRC asking for £115, another letter 16th June from LRC (final demand), this letter stated that I had until the 23rd june to pay OR ELSE!

I have heard nothing since, I am still very scared that I get a knock on the door from the 'bad guys', but I am trusting the advice from the forum.

 

Hope my saga helps you know what to expect. x

 

I also have 2 similar stories about APCOA, Roxburght and Graham White.

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hi

i know how you feel, you obviously don't want any hassle.

I received a parking ticket on the 19th feb in lidl car park and received a leter dated 23rd feb asking for £90, i had a look at this forum (thank god!) and took the advice to ignore it.

Another letter arrived 10th March (final reminder), another letter 25th March (notice of collection proceedings). I kept checking back with the forum as I was really nervous.

Letter 21st May from LRC asking for £115, another letter 16th June from LRC (final demand), this letter stated that I had until the 23rd june to pay OR ELSE!

I have heard nothing since, I am still very scared that I get a knock on the door from the 'bad guys', but I am trusting the advice from the forum.

 

Hope my saga helps you know what to expect. x

 

I also have 2 similar stories about APCOA, Roxburght and Graham White.

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hi people, first time ever doing something like this not good with computers so it lets everyone know how unhappy i am got a ticket in lidl car park. parked there from 05.55am till 08.02am 37 mins over they want to fine me £45. they say the signs are clear, never noticed sign till i came back , it was dark when i parked. do i appeal or just ignore ? any thoughts would be most appreciated

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Its not a fine. Ignore it.

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