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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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Hi hope its oks im going to join this thread because i am in the same boat as you guys.

 

I handed the car back to MB, i knew they were going to sell it on, they did, for 7 grand short, and just passed it over to Stevensdrake solicitors who sent me the threatning letters asking for full payment or court. I contacted them and made an arrangement of £50 per month as thats all i can afford.

 

Anyway, all i have is a statement of what it was sold for - and i am just taking their word for it really arnt i? I havent questioned it at all.

 

So far i have paid them around £600 - should I CCA them or subject request them? Or ask for details on who bought the vehicle etc? Would it make any difference anyway?

 

ONE payment was late (their mistake) and they sent me a charging order! because of their mistake i sent them a cheque which crossed in the post with their letter.

 

I hate Stevensdrake - they are poisen - and forever trying to wind me up - they are very hostile indeed.

 

Beechy - i sent you a friend request!

 

Any ideas on how to squash this would be great.

 

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I think we need the legal boffins to reply to you on this one, Beachy and I am not with the same sols as you, allthough Beachy seems to be having same probs. As for you Beachy let them take you to court, they have not replied to any requests, it all smells like a dung heap, I think you will find that is an empty threat, and they will either phone or write to you shortly. I bet they phone!!.

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The sols have sent me a letter stating that my offer has been rejected, they are now demanding full payments in 7 days or court action will be taken. As far as I know, if they take me to court surely the judge has to take all of the relevent crediters into consideration and the payments to them, also all relevent income and expendature, since I have been through it all with the CCCS and they in their infinate wisdom have said that we dont earn enough to be put on a debt mangement plan, and to make token payments to all unsecured debts, M.B. Finance would fall under that umberella. So given that information do I have to worry regards the court threat, can they secure against my property straight away, or will a CCJ come into force first. Please resond asap, thanks to all.

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Carp, Have you started your own thread on this matter? Get all your letters of threats from them together, try to post up as much as possible in your thread. Keep the CCCS letter and guard it. They have threatened legal action, so have you requested via CCA or SAR details of these alleged accounts?

If you have and they have failed to deliver, then seeing as theyve threatened you with legal action, you can safely issue a CPR request to ask for All statements and Executed agreement. 7 days is long enough. Then you can force the issue by app;lying to court to get the documentation. It shouldnt cost you anything as youre most likely on benefits yes?

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I have my M.B. finance agreement seems ok, my problem with them was the way I was treated when I put in for a restructure, totaly dissmissed. I have not put in for CCA or Subect access request as I dont think there is anything wrong in that department, however if you think it would stenghten my case if I go to court then I shall put in for them. My main worry is what can the court do to me.

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I have my M.B. finance agreement seems ok, my problem with them was the way I was treated when I put in for a restructure, totaly dissmissed. I have not put in for CCA or Subect access request as I dont think there is anything wrong in that department, however if you think it would stenghten my case if I go to court then I shall put in for them. My main worry is what can the court do to me.

A court isnt going to be too worried about how you were treated IMO. But are you sure the agreement is OK? are you sure they have not added any charges or fees that they shouldnt have. An SAR would most likely surpirse you. So its certainly worth a try.

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Beachy...if you hit the red triangle at the bottom of your Avator you can ask for site help .... It's to report Posts but it is also a way of attracting a Mods input..

 

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Hi Beachy,

 

I like Carp fear for our homes over this.

 

Firstly they would have to get a CCJ... then you would have to default on that CCJ before they could apply for a Charging Order... then you would have to settle the debt if you sell your home.

 

You are an incredibly long way off from that happening so don't let that worry you.

 

Seriously, softly softly catchee monkey, take each step as it arrives and collect all the ammo you can get.. they are the ones that are likely to make the mistakes as they are not as 'invested' as you.

 

Have faith.

 

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Ok Beachy, lets not get ahead of ourselfs here, there seems to be a long way to go so lets neither of us get too jumpy. Hold tight my son long bumpy ride to come, but I am sure with the help of the clan we will come through.

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Beachy, have a look at your agreement, I think I have found a chink in their armour (with the help of 42man) as I took out gap ins with ABRAXAS and paid it staight away by cc card, but on my agreement there is a sentance stating that a third party called PINNACLE was getting paid something. CHECK YOURS it may be something it may be nothing but wortha try. I am waiting on a answer from someone regarding this.

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