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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
    • New version after LFI's superb analysis of the contract. Sorry, but you need to redo the numbering of the paras and of the exhibits in the right order after all the damage I've caused! Defendant's WS - version 4.pdf
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another [problem]. easy way - ignore the PPC, its free. Standard solicitor's letter that will shut the PPC up (very well known contents) can be had for around 20 quid (last Time I checked process). Cheaper to ignore the PPC - and it costs the PPC money to send their letters. have never yet seen a lawful set of paperwork from a PPC. see http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/164651-problems-ppcs-face.html?highlight=problems+ppc+face and FAQs - PPCs - fighting back. The forces are aligned

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I think the term '[problem]' is rather harsh. They do a job for a price. What you forget is that whilst it is easy for some of us to treat these letters with contempt, others can be wound up to extremes and need the comfort of knowing that someone, somewhere is looking after those interests. So, fight if you can, use one of these firms if you mist, but never, EVER give in to them.

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why pay 37.50 you can do it yourself , for free

 

If you are going to do this in some instances it would be cheaper to pay the discounted invoice. Best off ignoring full stop. There is nothing a solicitor can say to these [problematic] that anyone else cannot.

 

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I sent £37.50 off a week ago and have heard nothing back despite several emails - the Website isn;t working either - so possibly I may have been scammed - which would add insult to injury!

Can I find a lawyer to sue someone posing as a lawyer?

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

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You may also have misunderstood their service. For the money, they write 'form' letters, you don;t get your own individual lawyer on the case . Their letters will have (at some time) been checked by one and verified that it meets the needs of any relevant challenges, so hoping that you can get them on misrepresentation is a long shot. My solicitor charges £75 for a 15 minute consultation and 1 letter.

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I was being ironic about hiring a lawyer to sue a lawyer! I'd be the only one losing out!

My main concern is that they say they will contact you and be available by phone- but they are not- the no they write on their website goes to answer phone- so I have no idea if they are doing anything with the £37.50.

The reason I went to them is that I wrote letters to the BPA - UKPC and DVLA and none of it helped-

What does notice of Intended Litigation mean anyway- small claims court?

I thought that Private Parking companies can't apply to county court anyway for a county court judgement- am I wrong?

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yep but how are you paying paypal?

 

seems real irish to me though, paying a [EDIT] to stop an initial [problem] in the first place...........

its not the guy that sits next to the solcitor three tables down in the same office is it?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I was being ironic about hiring a lawyer to sue a lawyer! I'd be the only one losing out!

What does notice of Intended Litigation mean anyway- small claims court?

I thought that Private Parking companies can't apply to county court anyway for a county court judgement- am I wrong?

 

it means nothing, how can they litigate on a contract that you did not sign in the first place......

 

totally [problem] the lot of it

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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If you would like to send me some money, I'll do the job for twenty five quid!

 

Having cashed your cheque, I'll send them a letter stating that I'm taking over your case; I'll also advise them that they have no case in law, and that I'm aware of their [problem].

 

I will also tell them that provided that they never write to you again concerning this matter, I'll send them twelve pounds and fifty pence.

 

The alternative for them is to refuse to comply - in that case I'll tell them that they won't get a penny from me, and I've advised you to send everything to me anyway.

 

They get something, and so do I - simple, isn't it!

 

Sam the Eagle

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Ticketshield.

Did you ever get your ticket sorted by this mob.

I have to hold my hands up as I also sent them ther £37.50 believing they were going to work on my behalf. First time offender, everything is easy if you know how. I now have the debt collectors letter, £211.25.

Has anyone actually taken this non payment route to the limit or are they all barrackroom lawyers?

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Parking at MacDonalds, over stayed their offical time allowance. I never saw the sign about max length of time allowable. Original fine £120 reduced to £75 if quick payment. I employed (or thought I employed) Ticketshield, who have gone on the missing list, to sort it out. I now have a debt collection agency called Newlyn after me for £211.25p.

I haven't acknowledged any of their demands.

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Has anyone actually taken this non payment route to the limit or are they all barrackroom lawyers

 

Yes and on the latest I am currently awaiting the 'solicitors' letters following ignoring the Debt Collectors threat-o-gram. All because the driver (not the RK or owner) overstayed in a popular restaurant car park while having a 'meal' NOTE: the RK would not be caught dead in one of these excuses for food - (sorry Ronald ;)).

 

They are welcome to take me to court if they dare as I am fully able to defend myself :mad:

 

They rely on scaring with you threats of court , debt collectors, your credit file all to get you to part with your hard earned cash to line their pockets.

 

Court (if it ever came to that) is nothing to be scared of and for this paltry amount of would be small claims, No Jury, No Judge with his smart black hat just in a nice quiet room where you each put your case

 

Ignore works and keeps the paperwork ([problem]-mail) to a minimum

 

To win they would amongst other things have to prove that you were the driver (The owner and/or RK is not liable), that the 'fine' / 'penalty' equates to a real loss - it is almost tantamount to 'demanding money with menaces' - read through the forum especially http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/164651-problems-ppcs-face.html

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Has anyone actually taken this non payment route to the limit or are they all barrackroom lawyers

 

The point is I (and others have) have taken it to limit (usually a couple of letters from the 'solicitors' and they give up and go chase an easier target.

 

Was pointing out that in the highly unlikely event they chose the Court route it is an uphill struggle for them with the odds firmly stacked in the defendants favour

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Thankyou asmodeus.

Your last reply looked like this

"They rely on scaring with you threats of court , debt collectors, your credit file all to get you to part with your hard earned cash to line their pockets".

I have just seen the rest of it.

Do you think I will actually get a visit from the debt collection agency if I make no contact with them? Or would you send a letter stating I will not pay unless a court orders that I do pay.

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The debt collectors usually send one letter saying that if you do not pay they will be passing it onto their solicitors who MAY take it to court.

 

Normally it is two letters from the solicitors but there have been recent reports of them phoning to 'confirm your details' but not visiting.

 

Be prepared for this and always request their names (not the company's) and do not divulge or confirm anything to them

 

The current one I have is similar to yours with the same brand of eating establishment and the only evidence they have is a fuzzy picture of a car with a dodgy enlargement showing a number plate that is possibly that of a car I own. As to who is driving that is anybodies guess.

 

The car park is free to customers (as you would expect) so by overstaying you have incurred them a loss of zero pounds and zero pence and any 'fine'/'penalty' would have to reflect this in court.

 

You have an unenforceable invoice and they know it but will try all the tricks they can to scare you into paying it.

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