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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Underdog, brilliant instigation on your part and I am deffo right behind you with this one. In the absence of any consumer lawyers, I was thinking of the Sun or News of The World newspapers:eek: I don't have copy & paste situations, in fact we have been given no agreements:eek: I have originals though....... might be easier just to give you access to my complete MBNA photobucket file :confused:

 

Pompeyfaith, with you all the way on that one:cool:

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underdog will be with you already on this all the way#

 

what about atwozee,,,was there a thread about the printing of the credit agreements and how the printing of documents occurs is that what you meant in your ealier post ?

 

ime subbed to quite a few mbna threads dont mind sending anyone i come accross re mbna to you - i think its best we have some unique thread that anyone with mbna problems gets to know about immediatly once they post with mbna in their first post or in their thread header,,,just my unique idea of the madness this eve,,,may not even work,,oops

 

anyway its worth shouting about but also then referring other caggers to the main thread or to pm a member to keep an active list of those interested parties,,,

 

catch up laters angel x

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Well I've come a long way in the last 15 mths regarding MBNA ad its been an eye opener regarding what they are capable off.

 

My case should be coming to an end soon but as I say ill still be around to help others the best I can AND FIGHT THEM WITH A BIGGER STICK.

 

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now now underdog,,,,,dont let this deter you from the process, i mean, you were so special you had to get a pm,,,

 

im aghast at the lengths they will pull just to speak with you:rolleyes:

 

hahahah im sure you were polite as always,,,,heheheh

 

laters angel x

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Thanks for your support AA99, Angel, and PF.:)

 

Think the media is an excellent idea, AA99. If one of the red tops will run with this, I think they are going to be very busy looking for people's agreements.

 

Angel - I was wondering the same thing - maybe a thread for gathering our evidence? People could post up their agreements, notify us of originals, etc.

 

Think your case could be useful PF - considering their suspect DN.

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Just a word to the wise everybody - seems we have a couple of trolls popped up. One even sent me a PM. The other side couldn't possibly be getting worried could they?:cool:

 

Am feeling all left out now.....no trolls been bothering little ol' me!! :-o

 

What have the nasty meanie trolls been saying to you UD.....please tell!! :D

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Just a word to the wise everybody - seems we have a couple of trolls popped up. One even sent me a PM. The other side couldn't possibly be getting worried could they?:cool:

 

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Am feeling all left out now.....no trolls been bothering little ol' me!! :-o

 

What have the nasty meanie trolls been saying to you UD.....please tell!! :D

 

It wasn't what was said, so much as the approach that was strange. (You get a sense of whether someone is genuine or not after you've been on the forums for a while, don't you?) Why would someone with no threads and no posts send me a PM as an initial approach? Call me suspicious, but.....

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Undeerdog,

 

Re post 356 im very much up for this, but i think because of the scale of this its time for DIRECT ACTION we need to get this covered in the press as much as possible and then hope they will be investigated.

 

To that end i think we should gather as much evidence as possible so every one with suspect agreements or default notices post them up removing personal information of course them one of us print them off add a page detailing where they fail put them in a binder.

 

Then we we need to hit fleet street yup in person and get noticed. while we are there we could also give copies to the regulatory bodies.

 

Because MBNA have brought so many credit card companies they will be the biggest loser :D because a lot of what they have brought does not conform to cca 1974 and or CPR

 

I also think they will be interested in my bundle because of the fraudulent DN.

 

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yes atwozee it sure is it needs direct action so ppl dont have to go though what i have its also an abuse of court powers putting claims though the system that have no cause being there in the first place PF

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i think its time we set up a meet in the chat room perhaps so we can plan a way forward on this

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Undeerdog,

 

Re post 356 im very much up for this, but i think because of the scale of this its time for DIRECT ACTION we need to get this covered in the press as much as possible and then hope they will be investigated.

 

To that end i think we should gather as much evidence as possible so every one with suspect agreements or default notices post them up removing personal information of course them one of us print them off add a page detailing where they fail put them in a binder.

 

Then we we need to hit fleet street yup in person and get noticed. while we are there we could also give copies to the regulatory bodies.

 

Because MBNA have brought so many credit card companies they will be the biggest loser :D because a lot of what they have brought does not conform to cca 1974 and or CPR

 

I also think they will be interested in my bundle because of the fraudulent DN.

 

PF

 

Completely agree, PF:) Also happy to meet up in the chat room.

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That’s definitely taking the fight to them PF – I already posted my dodgy paste up on the other thread and I’m convinced it is a deliberate attempt to mislead me.

 

Indeed Atwozee; this (allegedly:rolleyes:) deliberate misleading is financial fraud according to my new lawyer.:D

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fantastic so we say this evening at 8pm

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well optima will be getting my defence today re dodgy DN friday 13th too :D

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indeed it will ;)

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thanks pmw

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