Locked in car park

[Toulose LeDebt]

I could bore you with lots of technical details about the video but won't. I use the same non linear editing software suite as my local police force (prem Pro) albeit I'm about four years newer than them in terms of releases.

Now in one of those strange serendipitous moments, a couple of years back we took a good friend of ours to a show where I was filming (my hobby) as she was a long standing fan of the artist. She took her boyfriend who turned out be be the SOCO video guy from one of the local Police stations and he and I have had more than the one good chat about all things video and in particular all things premiere Pro. At the time they were using prem 6.5 on a single monitor so when he got to mine and saw Pro 1.5 on a quad core triple monitor setup in HD he was like the proverbial child in a sweet shop. We had some good chat's and he got a good play and in return I probably know things I shouldn't but hey I'm a curious kind of guy and you don't know if you don't ask.

 

The jumps are caused because the video is one channel of either 4 or 8 channels recorded simultaneously on a digital hdd recorder and there's always a slight amount of overlap with those things. What's important seeing as this is not first gen footage is to be able to prove continuity. As somebody pointed out earlier a time/datestamp is not acceptable proof. I have identified several frames of fadeover which will IMO suffice to prove continuity if this is questioned.

 

 

Oh and just as a throw away my niece is in the second year of a forensics degree at Preston Uni. She currently has a Sony Ericcson w595 belonging to a friend of ours and is attempting to prove scientifically (literally the crime CSI blue lights thingy) that the damage to the casing was caused intentionally by phones4u staff to avoid a warranty repair. I'll be starting a thread about Phones 4u 's peculiar interpretations of the SOGA shortly. Look out for it, should be a good laugh. Ofcom and Staffs trading standards watching with interest.:lol:

 

(As is Mr Paul G**** from the Phones 4u legal dept.)

Edited July 4, 2009 by Toulose LeDebt
No h in 'ours' I say that time and again.

[Patma]

Wow TLD, Fred's video debut couldn't be in better hands. It's an incredible stroke of luck that things have worked out this way.My head has a hard time getting itself round the technical stuff I'm afraid, so please bear with me if I'm a bit durrr:confused: about that sort of stuff.

It's interesting to hear about your niece. She sounds like a very handy young lady. Maybe you should send her round to forensically examine a certain DCA out that way;)

Edited July 5, 2009 by Patma
Typo

[MARTIN3030]

Why stop at one ?

They are a bit more cautious now.The 2008 regs did them no favours.

Maynards speech at the DBS conference was a classic-but they have had it too good for too long.

Buying debts and collecting debt has got a little more difficult because there are a few more rules to even up things.But we should remember that the vast majority of their victims dont come to sites like this-they pay up.

I am not advocating debt avoidance but rules and legislation are in place-its not usually the original creditors who break the rules-its the vultures of the debt collection industry who do that.

[JonCris]

"Its not usually the original creditors who break the rules" Come on Martin we know that ain't true - Some of the worst offenders are the household names in the finance industry & it's they I blame more than their DCA monkeys - Their 'agents' are only following a pattern originally set by the creditors - also lets not forget that many of these so called independent debt collectors & lawyers are nothing of the sort, many are in house & just pretend to be separate in order to make it look like the matter is being escalated

 

The so called prime lenders have a lot to answer for

[MARTIN3030]

Perhaps it was written wrong.

I meant to say that original creditors are working within rules which need changing-and so have been allowed to get away with it.

Sub prime is a good example.

[JonCris]

I know Martin but I have to say in my recent experience some of the prime lenders are in fact the worst by far when it comes to ignoring the rules or even acting illegally as we have seen in some 'well known' cases

[Toulose LeDebt]

Anyone know if Fred been able to get the police to look at this case again yet?

[Patma]

Hi TLD, NoT yet, but he's been preparing to do so. He wants to get all his ducks in a row before he presents it to them.

[Patma]

The copy of the order from the court has arrived, ordering Plymouth College of Art to disclose make, model and serial number of barrier, and insurance documents only.

 

Fred is preparing a reply

Edited August 28, 2009 by Patma

[Toulose LeDebt]

Good. Does the order also force the claimant to dislose the age of the barrier in any way eg installation date?

[Patma]

Does the order also force the claimant to dislose the age of the barrier in any way eg installation date?

Nope nothing else

[royboy68]

There is a chance that the manufacturer could have a full maintenance history. Possibly the judge had this in mind when he made the order by specifying the serial number. Getting the info off them could be a problem.

[Patma]

What about an FOI request for details about the barrier?

[royboy68]

They could claim its private information between themselves and their client. They could be very open and tell you or you might need another court order to release the info. If it wasnt in the judges mind when he made the order I think he would have only specified the make and model, its the serial number that holds all the info.

[Patma]

I was thinking a FOI request to Plymouth College of Art as I don't think the act applies to private companies.

Universal Security UK LTD, the installation company, refused to disclose any info to Fred about 3 years ago when he wrote to them asking for details.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Patma

[banker_rhymes_with]

Hello Patma!

 

Things have moved on a bit. Excellent.

 

The CCTV evidence is superb.

 

I agree with others that this is one for the National and Regional Press at some stage, as it makes a great story. A College seeking to make an innocent Student pay for expensive equipment upgrades, Police duped into making a Caution on the back of heavily edited CCTV evidence, snarling Velociraptor Lawyers happy to overlook awkward evidence to get the result they want, and a biased Dinosaur of a Judge all too willing to support the Counsel for the Claimant at the expense of the Litigant in Person.

 

No prisoners.

 

Crucify every single person or group who has been complicit in this obscene attempt to nail an innocent person with a £4k++ bill.

 

The real rot lies at the way the Court system has handled this. An aggressive Claimant is nearly always given significantly more support than an innocent Defendant trying to protect himself.

 

Just imagine what would've happened if you and Fred had not discovered CAG...then imagine how many other people have suffered similar problems?

 

For every Patma and Fred willing to fight back, there are hundreds of others who have stood zero chance.

 

Cheers,

BRW

[Toulose LeDebt]

FYI An action founded on Tort has a limitation period of 6 years from the date of the cause of action.

 

ps Sounds silly but has this latest video been entered into evidence?

[buzby]

I did actually mention this months ago - the FoI requires the college alone to supply the requested info. You can do it here;

 

WhatDoTheyKnow - file and browse Freedom of Information (FOI) requests

[Bookworm]

Phew. Marathon thread reading!!!

 

Well done to everybody, glad to see the CAG spirit is still up and true!

 

No suggestions, every time I saw something I thought needed addressing, someone spotted it and then some, so this is just to add my good wishes to Fred for what should be a slamdunk if there is any justice left in this country.

 

Patma, I take it you'll be going with him to all hearings as his Mackenzie friend? You mentioned he has learning difficulties, is that a problem when he goes to court? If yes, you could always ask to speak for him altogether. ;-)

[Patma]

PM sent TLD

[Patma]

I did actually mention this months ago - the Freedom of Information Act requires the college alone to supply the requested info.

You're quite right Buzby, you did! Things got a bit bogged down with all the twists and turns so it got overlooked.

[Patma]

Thanks Bookworm. We'll get there! Yes the CAG spirit is going strong. There has been some fantastic support both on the thread and behind the scenes and we'd have sunk without trace long since without it.

Thanks for your suggestion about the Mckenzie friend stuff.Fred is doing great so far and my help has been mostly organising the paperwork etc.

[Patma]

ps Sounds silly but has this latest video been entered into evidence?

Good question TLD. I don't know the answer. Fred hasn't entered it into evidence.

It was simply handed over and nothing further was said.

Fred had originally requested it in his CPR 18 and was told it would be provided when available.

[Patma]

Hi BRW, excellent synopsis:D

Just imagine what would've happened if you and Fred had not discovered CAG...then imagine how many other people have suffered similar problems?

That thought gives me nightmares! And I really feel for all those innocent victims who haven't got the sort of fantastic support we've got.

[Patma]

I agree with others that this is one for the National and Regional Press at some stage, as it makes a great story.

 

Yes agreed and it's very much in the plans:D