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    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later the your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. So if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place and park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and then unload the children followed by reloading the children getting seat belts on etc before driving to the exit stopping for cars, pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
    • New version after LFI's superb analysis of the contract. Sorry, but you need to redo the numbering of the paras and of the exhibits in the right order after all the damage I've caused! Defendant's WS - version 4.pdf
    • Hi  no nothing yet. Hope it stays that way 😬
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Hi, new to this site and found it by Googleing Tenon recovery.

 

Anyway this is my predicament.

I own a limited company, last year (May 2007) a sales rep from Yell.com arrived at my business address asking if I would be interested in advertising with them. Having previously advertised with Yell I agreed but only via the web and not in the directories. The sales rep came to this address twice, he wrote my bank details down from the cheque book I gave them to set up a direct debit mandate. Over the next 6 months I recieved 3 telephone calls from Yell requesting my address and bank details, I told them that my address was clearly written on the Yell advert and they could contact me through that, email me too, again I gave them my bank details, not realising that no money was being taken out of my account, by the third telephone call requesting the same information yet again, I suggested that they give me their bank details and I would set up a direct debit via my internet bank account. I heard nothing from them. Within 3 days of this conversation I recieved a letter from a company called 'Westcot' threatening to take me to court for non payment to Yell. I wrote to them explaining that the situation had been down to Yell and they could by all means have the money and i was more than willing to set up a direct debit to pay the money. They refused this and said I would be taken to Hull county court, no problems I said I'll see you there I replied back, I then went through what can only be called mental torture by this company by continuous phones calls and then hanging up with messages to call back a premium rate phone number, I never did but the calls would be from 9 in the morning till 10 at night. Out of a total £2600 I decided to make an offer of paying them a lump sum of £600 with the remainder being paid over a 10 month period, finally they saw sense and agreed to this, it also became apparent that Yell had be sending corospondense about this matter to a previous address of mine that I last resided in 2002, even though they were advertising my new address!

Out of the blue this year a sales rep from Yell called asking if I'd be interested in advertising again, I said no and explained that because of all the hassle caused by Yell the previous year I wasn't interested. She appologised and said she would speak to customer services. She called back 5 minutes later saying Yell was very sorry and they would like to make me an offer. On condition that I pay Yell £1000 straight away and send them 5 post dated cheques, they would get 'Westcott' of my back and would like to offer me a special deal, this being my company being in all the Yell.com areas of London and Essex plus being on 118 118, the total cost being £1900.00 well it seemed like a good deal so I agreed. I faxed them my bank details, lo and behold they've imputted them wrong and cannot get payments, so again I give them via telephone. even though I sent them a cheque for a £1000 along with 5 post dated cheques these they lost but did manage to cash the £1000 cheque. To this I told them I would send them a cheque each month for £200 until the previous account was paid off, which is what I have done, so currently I owe them £600.00,

I'm not sure why but Yell was not happy with this. And withdrew all my current advertising, so I cancelled the direct debit mandate and wrote to them explaining the situation, but to date I have not recieved a reply from Yell.

I have however started to recieve letters from 'Tenon Recovery' threatening me with bankruptcy proceedings, I have written to them, enclosing a copy of the letter I sent to Yell customer services, they too have failed to respond or answer any points I made in the letter, but have just sent yet another letter threatening action and demanding £2137.54 of this I am quite happy to pay £600, but as they are not advertising my business do not see quite why I should pay them. Am within my rights to withhold payment of this £1537.54?

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Send Tenon this by recorded delivery....OR if you have a friendly local copper, get him / her to call them and ask what time they will be arriving as the police would like to be in attendance...

 

Dear xxxx

 

Account Ref xxxx

 

Please be advised that I will only communicate with you in writing. I have noted your repeated attempts to contact me by telephone over the past few weeks/months and these have been duly logged by time and date.

 

Furthermore, should it be your intention to arrange a “doorstep call”, please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you.

 

There is only an implied license under English Common Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.). Therefore take note that I revoke license under Common Law for you, or your representatives to visit me at my property and if you do so, then you will be liable to damages for a tort of trespass and action will be taken, including but not limited to, police attendance.

 

Yours faithfully/sincerely

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Threats designed to scare you from tenon, its not gone to court, the are not bailiffs so have no power, may as well be me turning up on your doorstep as asking for the money!, a lot of the time they dont turn up either, its the threat of a visit that they are relying on to making you pay them, official complaint time i think as has been said already

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If they do turn up tell them to go away in words of your own choosing. Should they fail to comply you should telephone the Police and report a Breach of the Peace. You should also note the registration number of any vehicle they may be in and if you have time photograph the doorstepper.

 

These people have absolutely NO LEGAL POWERS whatsoever and you should treat them with the same attitude that you would to someone coming to your house to CON you

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Thanks guys, I think Yell are having a laugh, today they telephonend asking me if I would like to re-advertise with them, I said to the rep you have got to be kidding, he asked what the problem was so I told him the story. He said that my account had been terminated. When I asked why, he said he didn't know, but could not understand what the fuss was all about as it showed on his computer that I have been paying my account as agreed. He said he would have a word with customer services and sort the problem out. I have had over a year of this nonsense / harassment with telephone calls and letters from 2 different companies employed by Yell, with the latest being threatend with bankruptcy.

He has taken it upon himself to make an appointment with me in the hope I will take out further advertising, I have told him that I have no intention of re-advertising with Yell again, but would like a letter of apology from Yell.

Would I be within my rights to withhold part of the £600 I currently owe, due to them wasteing a hell of a lot of my time and money by writing untold letters and costs involved with postage etc?

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