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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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From 27 October 2008 Employment and Support Allowance replaces Incapacity Benefit and Income Support paid on incapacity grounds for new customers.

The principle of Employment and Support Allowance is that everyone should have the opportunity to work and that people with an illness or disability should get the support they need to engage in appropriate work, if they are able.

 

A new test, the Work Capability Assessment, will be introduced in October 2008 alongside the new Employment and Support Allowance and will be applied to all those people claiming the new allowance. The new test is more robust, accurate and fairer. It will replace the current Personal Capability Assessment, which is weighted more towards a person’s physical disability and bases itself around assessing people’s incapability for work.

 

The Work Capability Assessment will look at people’s physical and mental ability, such as learning disabilities and other similar conditions. It will assess what an individual can do - rather than can’t do. Individuals with health conditions will be given support and employment advice to enable them to return to work where possible.

 

Key facts

 

New customers only

 

For new customers, Employment and Support Allowance will replace Incapacity Benefit and Income Support paid on incapacity grounds. Existing Incapacity Benefit or Income Support customers will continue to receive their existing benefits, so long as they satisfy the entitlement conditions.

 

Personalised support

 

Employment and Support Allowance offers personalised support and financial help if people are not working due to an illness or disability. It gives people access to a specially trained personal adviser and a wide range of further services.

 

Medical assessment

 

Central to Employment and Support Allowance are the new medical assessments which examine what people can do, rather than what they can’t, and identify what personal support they might need.

 

Work-focused interviews

 

Most people claiming Employment and Support Allowance will be expected to take appropriate steps to help prepare for work, including attending a series of work-focused interviews with a personal adviser.

 

Support Group

 

Under Employment and Support Allowance people with an illness or disability that severely affects their ability to work will get increased financial support and will not be expected to prepare for a return to work.

 

source: DWP - Employment and Support Allowance

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sounds like its a get everybody off the sick now and into low piad work asap if they can get somebody willing to employ them, (unlikely due to the high cost of covering the insurance payments demanded to employ somebody who is classed as diabled), and make the figures look like they are going down!!!

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How long before it stops being applicable only for new customers? How long before they start (or should I say turn) on existing IB claimants?

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It is dated as starting from 2010 for long term claimants - which I am not BTW in case anyone assumes I am claiming incorrectly - and will trickle down in stages from then on in when the system essentially catches up with the backlog.

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Wow I've just read about this but it seems I'm months behind you lot lol!!!

 

My husband gets Incapacity Benefit and I had no idea this was being replaced by something else and I read forums / disabilty websites etc on a wekly basis so I'm surprised I havent spotted it somewhere before now!

 

I'm found a good website with lots of info on it but i'm not sure if i can post the link or not, but the way I have read it is that even existing claimants are going to have to have new application forms and new tests to go to, is this correct? I know it says "At a later date" for existing claimaints but I would like to have a rough idea of what is going on.

 

My hubby spent almost a year getting his IB sorted out after it was stopped abruptly due to the dreaded "Medical" where he scored no points. I would hate for him to have to go through all that again.

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Clydesdale £155. Should have been £310 charges, plus interest :( Husbands Account.

 

 

SETTLED IN FULL:

MBNA £1230. For Hubby.

Halifax £39.

RBS £342. For Hubby.

Cap One £200.

Abbey:

:D Settled in FULL April 18th 2007. £5179.83 Paid but what a long battle!

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COMPENSATION OF £100 ON 14/04/08 FOR CONTINUED HARASSEMENT.

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Can someone who has been knocked back due to the PCAs limitations on mental health assessment, reapply once the changes come into effect and be assessed under the new rules?

All my posts are made without prejudice and may not be reused or reproduced without my express permission (or the permission of the forums owners)!

 

17/10/2006 Recieve claim against me from lloyds TSB for £312.82

18/10/06 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent

03/02/07 Claim allocated to small claims. Hearing set for 15/05/07. Lloyds ordered to file statement setting out how they calculate their charges

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19/06/07 Letter from court stating Lloyds have made a cheque payment to court

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Can someone who has been knocked back due to the PCAs limitations on mental health assessment, reapply once the changes come into effect and be assessed under the new rules?

 

Yes.

Post by me are intended as a discussion of the issues involved, as these are of general interest to me and others on the forum. Although it is hoped such discussion will be of use to readers, before exposing yourself to risk of loss you should not rely on any principles discussed without confirming the situation with a qualified person.

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You shouldn't have been knocked back due to the failings of their assessment- I hope you appealed!

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You shouldn't have been knocked back due to the failings of their assessment- I hope you appealed!

 

Did but as the appeals service also uses the same old flawed system failed that too

All my posts are made without prejudice and may not be reused or reproduced without my express permission (or the permission of the forums owners)!

 

17/10/2006 Recieve claim against me from lloyds TSB for £312.82

18/10/06 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent

03/02/07 Claim allocated to small claims. Hearing set for 15/05/07. Lloyds ordered to file statement setting out how they calculate their charges

15/05/07 Lloyds do not attend. Judgement ordered for £192 approx, £3 travel costs and removal of default notice

29/05/07 4pm Lloyds deadline for payment of CCJ expires. Warrant of execution ready to go

19/06/07 Letter from court stating Lloyds have made a cheque payment to court

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i also had my incapacity knocked back and got 3 points in all i have appealed and put a sicknote from my doctor in with the appeal and the fact half the questions that are on the original decision i don't remember them asking and some were asked totally different and i have a tribunal form with all the details they are taking to tribunal i have no friends but i spend time talking to them on the phone is in there along with a lot of other stuff that contradicts what he has said i can't get to the tribunal it's too far so i guess i'll have to have the paper hearing but i'd love to be there to say my peace anyway im on income support on a low rate while i appeal 82 a week with 2 children and my wife plus child benefit is not alot compared to my incapacity benefit of 276 im in debt with my water ,electricand gas company due to there rises too im waiting on united utilities trust funds decision to help with some costs i suffer from depression and no one is taking any notice properly what im saying obviously on incapacity part more than likely fail again at the tribunal would i be on income support or jobseekers with as they call my mild depression/anxiety or can i apply for this new employment and support allowance?.:evil:

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HAve you got your local council welfare rights officer to help with your appeal?

 

I have been in almost exactly your position, and I know how awful it is. If you haven't yet got assistance with your appeal, ask for help immediately. It saved my skin and the DWP changed their decision two weeks before the appeal date- the gits didn't bother informing us though! They really can be bottom feeders.

 

I'm now waiting to see if they will allow me to do some voluntary work, to try to get out of the house. The woman seemed astounded that if they say no, I will not do the voluntary work! She said I could always go on JSA! Is she having a laugh?

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no i haven't got a welfare rights officer how do i get 1?but if i go to tribunal or paper hearing that takes more time and christmas is round the corner and £82 will not help to get the children christmas presents im backed in a corner i can't survive on this amount and i have 14 days to respond.

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thanks bagafun for your help i think this is a government [problem] because a lot of people have been turned down from medicals and appealed and failed appeals because of this new esa it's for those people like myself to help people that failed these medicals back into work maybe worth not persue your appeals and apply for this new esa when it comes in effect this is only a theory what i think is happening because after all incapacity benefit is scraped from this date to make way for esa how else are they gonna get new claims for this esa?like i said it's just my opinion take me for instance im fighting to get incapacity benefit back which won't exist after the 27th only to the ones not having medicals this year look out for people who are having medicals next year they'll be the same i think failed medicals then 2010 everyone will be on esa but hey it's just my theory whats happening with incpacity.

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I rang today as on dla and income support as the letter said I was to contact them. I was told there would only be a change of a decrease of about 1.00 nothing to worry about. I asked did I need to do anything else and was told no. I am a little confused as I though I had to state I wish to stay on income support and disability premium or I would lose it. I rang them and dont feel I achieved anything although they were helpful. I got the impression its changing and thats that.

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It shouldn't be changing by any amount for existing claimants, at least at the moment.

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