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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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one BIG BIG BIG huge mistake was not calling their witness- his evidence could have been destroyed in the twinkling of an eye (well by any otehr judge)

 

a lesson for us all here is that we MUST call witnesses who give statements about things they know nothing about

 

Especially if, as H states.. the witness wasnt even with the company at the time.

 

I understood that multi and fast track cases were more thorough and based on facts and not probabilities ?

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Especially if, as H states.. the witness wasnt even with the company at the time.

 

I understood that multi and fast track cases were more thorough and based on facts and not probabilities ?

 

All civil cases are on the balance of probabilities, however the higher the court normally the more ruthlessly employed strictness of evidence is in effect and the more CPR must be followed.

 

"Justice for all" was the cry.... "Justice for all..........that can afford it or find competent representation" is the actual.

 

The judge commented that she had seen many personal injury cases, perhaps that is where her specialty resides.

 

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I agree with Diddy & CB about the witness statement in hindsight. I say it that way because I would probably not have objected at the time but in view of the fact he had no idea about the correct details first hand it was not reliable evidence.

 

However, I have a feeling that the part that I think gave you the biggest problem was that the Judge and then the Barrister kept referring to points as 'technical'. The defendant is relying on *** which is a technical point, so suggesting its not a major issue, is how I read it. But these were legal arguments you were putting forward and not technical issues at all. The incorrect terms were in breach of the requirements of the CCA 1974, hardly a technical point but legal requirements.

 

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I agree with Diddy & CB about the witness statement in hindsight. I say it that way because I would probably not have objected at the time but in view of the fact he had no idea about the correct details first hand it was not reliable evidence.

 

 

When I questioned this WS at the second CMC the Judge even commented that he doubts if he really kowns much more than what's written in the WS, so not much point

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My comments when I read the transcript the first time you published were CABotted because I did call the mental capacities of the judge into question by using a 6 letter word beginning with s and ending in d, which is something I should not have done since we can never question the mental state of members of the judiciary, as I am sure all Caggers will agree.

However, having slept on it overnight and now re-read the transcript, well, just let's say gut reactions are often nearer the truth. Now, I see you have another thread going as to your appeal, so I will post my comments there later.

Have you had a copy of the judgment itself yet and have you decided to instruct a barrister directly?

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My point was not that of creditors right etc. My point was more to do with -

 

What about when a lender terminates the agreement whilst in default and them issues a claim and then during the course of the claim try and remeday the situation.

 

this is a situation me and davefire already have with Morgan Stanley huh dave

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All civil cases are on the balance of probabilities, however the higher the court normally the more ruthlessly employed strictness of evidence is in effect and the more CPR must be followed.

 

"Justice for all" was the cry.... "Justice for all..........that can afford it or find competent representation" is the actual.

 

The judge commented that she had seen many personal injury cases, perhaps that is where her specialty resides.

 

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her speciallity resides in childcare ?

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Have you had a copy of the judgment itself yet and have you decided to instruct a barrister directly?

 

Very conveniently they hadn't received the transcript from my transcriber, so they have been sent another and I have been told that the Judge will look at it today.

 

I will post as soon as I am in receipt.

 

I have a couple of Direct Access barristers, I have asked them what info. they need to give me an indication of success which they should really have no difficulty with, since it's an appeal based on a point of law. I am awaiting their replies.

 

I will need help in trying to put together a brief for a barrister, if anyone is upto it.

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this is a situation me and davefire already have with Morgan Stanley huh dave

 

Absolutely......and one that will be remedied in the course of time...(shortly I hope)

 

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For those interested in following my cases too... HFO/Turnbull decided to discontinue today.

 

Well done VJ... some good news at last albeit not at the hand of a judge

 

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Seconded, Shadow - excellent result VJ! At least the claimant used some common sense :)

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I always thought "respect" had to be earned...

 

I suppose we shouldn't stoop to other's levels though.

 

I, like most people these days, get angry when a someone receives a huge public sector salary and a future huge public sector pension then treats the very public funding it with no respect.

 

All but one of my hearings at the CC have taken place informally around a table in the Judge's chambers. It must have been intimidating enough for an LiP to have to conduct his case in open court, go in the witness box etc and before all that to get such distasteful remarks before even presenting their case.

 

It sounds more like a criminal trial rather a civil contractual dispute.

 

If you were say a shipping company from a country on the other side of the world or any sort of corporate entity disputing a contract in the Court you wouldn't be treated like that!

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What seems to be happening is that the lenders are with the help of a series of carefully planned trials trying to re-write the CCA 1974. I can remember 4 years ago if they didn't have an agreement not only would they write off the balance but also remove data from the credit file. Now in courts they bring in an application form with any t & c's and that suffices for not only s.77/s.78 but also for enforcement.

 

The legal profession who are sympathetic to consumers are also very guarded to see these lender in the higher courts since it will reduce their future income if there is a landmark ruling in favour of the consumer.

I think the last paragraph is spot on and something we should all be aware of and keep at the forefront of our mind. The CMC involvement in these ordinary consumer issues is also a double edged sword. Their bottom line is to make MONEY and if that income stream is affected by too many consumer wins too high up the court system setting simple precedents that reduces the need for them, well...

 

CMC involvement has it positive side but I have a gut feeling their policy is to settle out of court as much as possible, and their supporters [some of which are on this forum] have admitted as much.

 

Whilst good for the stress levels of the individual consumer involved and a decent little earner for the CMC, it doesn't do the overall cause much good,which needs some decent judgements in higher courts in favour of the ordinary consumer.

 

I may be overly cynical but that's why I think CMC activity in the courts [as sen at Manchester] is appearing rather half-hearted- if not downright inept.

 

Unfortunately the consumer is being positioned [again] between a rock and a hard place. It is up to us as members of a independent non-profit making forum/co-operative to devise a strategy that helps US, not the bank balances of some other profit motivated company[ies].

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I too was surprised the case ended up with a Circuit judge in a court room. One has to think about some people's ego, perhaps, but I had better not go there!

 

I instructed a barrister under the Direct Access scheme about a year ago. I'll dig out my papers and post them when I get home later tonight.

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I too was surprised the case ended up with a Circuit judge in a court room. One has to think about some people's ego, perhaps, but I had better not go there!

 

I instructed a barrister under the Direct Access scheme about a year ago. I'll dig out my papers and post them when I get home later tonight.

 

That would be great, what was the outcome

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When I questioned this WS at the second CMC the Judge even commented that he doubts if he really kowns much more than what's written in the WS, so not much point

 

on the contrary all the more reason for calling him

 

the judge accepted his evidence and i recall you mentioning earlier that he was the MD and didnt even know anything about it

 

calling him would have discredited his evidence

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Hi Humbleman am up to page 27 of your thread/injustice & gaining lots of advice as I read it (prompted by Seriously fed up). I am in a similar position as today I rec'd my DJ decision with a JUDGEMENT against me :shock:from my SJ hearing last July. I have to appear at a Notice of handing down of Judgement hearing??? 28th Jan....9 days away. Been waiting on directions all this time so gutted to say the least as in court the DJ told me he was dismissing there summary judgement until the next hearing so dont know whats gone wrong between then & now as hoped something along the lines of them having to do disclosure etc I had such high hopes:-

 

My CCA has never been produced (Priority Request form no prescribed terms etc so should be unenforceable) No T & C only recent 2008 ones sent. (Judge is satisfied me having been served with a COPY of Priority Req Form & CURRENT T & C & says it complied with requirements of S.78.) WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO MY RIGHTS TO SEE ORIG & ALSO THE FORM HAVING NOne OF THERE SIGNATURES ON IT???

DN is defective........ 9th Jan remedy date 26th Jan2009 (14 clear days it was not) Judge has disregarded the practice directions given in my defence as deemed it to be served to me on the 12th Jan so exactly 14days .

 

This DJ says he is satisfied the Claimants acted properly in its dealings and I have been seen to delay & frustrate there well founded claim. & there will be costs & other ancillary issues to be addressed with this at the hearing next week too....:Cry::cry::Cry: I am in pieces!!!!!

 

my thread is Court papers help required pls ....but I shall continue with your thread reading in the meantime.....cannot believe how unjust it is all becoming with this judges lottery society we are all being a part of. Your post/threads are showing v good advice & reading so far....your strength & positiveness amazing....I hope my next 8 days with what I am having to face in such a short period of time placed on me will result in further knowledge of this soon. Thanks MDAW

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so is my handing down of judgement hearing a final hearing on the matter then? sorry to hijack here (you can post on my thread if you like)....as with 8 days & counting wondering what I should be doing next now...as like you dont have any money to battle on with a barrister for this:confused: I am still reading thru your thread at this time though with hope :|

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I have now got the form N460 AND the reason for refusal to appeal is:

 

Findings of facts made against defendant-who was not believed. Various technical points of defence were not sufficiently established on the facts.

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Ummmm... facts the Claimant proved? None... the barrister admitted he didn't have the documents. The Judge believed in a fairytale... you might aswell have taken the lochness monster with you instead of me humbleman... it would have been more fitting in that courtroom where magic seemed to be in the air

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