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Yes, and it does seem quite clear that Parliament at a whole was certainly NOT involved in these authorisations and were actually deliberately kept in the dark or perhaps even lied to by the few at the center of this Here is a separate summary of some points to consider by the guardian http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/17/guardian-view-on-bombing-isis-in-syria-british-pilots -
That does seem highly unlikely in the 2nd part, and unwarranted in the 3rd. I think just part of unclebulgarias post says all that is needed: If that isn't enough http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/17/mps-demand-commons-statement-over-uk-military-action-in-syria "Tom Watson, one of the Labour MPs to have tabled a succession of questions on the scale of UK involvement in Syria, accused the government of sophistry. “It now appears the government has misled MPs and withheld from the House of Commons that the government is involved in military action in Syria that was expressly forbidden by parliament. That is a very serious matter.”" Definition: sophistry - the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving. and even more, in even more countries http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/23-Jul-2015/british-air-force-may-be-illegally-striking-pakistan-yemen "According to the channel, there may be legal issues if UK personnel were involved in strikes in countries like Pakistan and Yemen with whom the UK was not legally at war. Strikes on Syria would also be illegal given a 2013 parliamentary vote on bombing within the borders of the war-hit nation." further from the same link "It was later confirmed that each mission, reportedly carried out by the Royal Navy pilots operating from US aircraft carriers in the Gulf, received specific parliamentary authorisation. "
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LOL, I genuinely read it as the BEER garden . Taking my clothes off now ....
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Hi snowdragon, I am traditionally a Labour supporter although I find little to support in labour at the moment. :/ Its the beer garden, politics is traditionally a common discussion over a beer and/or a glass of wine. I'm sure we would all be delighted to join in a thread of your creation here on some topic other than politics over a virtual beer and a few glasses of virtual wine. Go for it. (but don't be too angry if they occasionally descend into politics)
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Conniff, As has been widely reported, including in the prior linked news articles here, many countries have other countries forces embedded within their ranks, but none get involved in actions which are not approved by their own governments, and certainly DON'T get involved in actions where their own governments have voted against action. They should have sat the Syria raids out and only performed in the Parliament approved Iraq operations, and would have without UK command approval.
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Does anyone think the rhetoric of the official reports sounds true. I'm not talking conspiracy nonsense here but: How can they report ISIS has 10's thousands of men in outright battles with Iraqi and Kurdish forces, yet they can't seriously impact them with air strikes How can the news channels and reports say that ISIS has heavy artillery and TANKS in these battles, but that the high tech western planes can't find them and take them out even with the news channels showing the Kurds pointing and saying 'ISIS TANKS there' on the news channels? Simply doesn't wash does it?
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I may (do) disagree with what he originally said, BUT Its not what he said that I objected to unclebulgaria. It's that he said it and then used moderator privileges to quiet someone who disagreed in what to me seemed a reasonable or at the very least far milder form. Its that practice here that I object to. I wont discuss this any more outside of the specific thread unclebulgaria. No offense to anyone intended. As I said 'some might think the latter is more reasonable to believe'
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I fully agree that there are many things that come from China (and America) which have at best not passed the equivalent of our safety tests, and should not be allowed to be imported, but declaiming an entire nation based on that would be like saying the British are right wing capitalist monetarian slavers just because some of its citizens voted Cameron into Downing street. Some might think the latter is more reasonable to believe. My view is neither is reasonable.....
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Labour Leadership battle
tobyjugg2 replied to tobyjugg2's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
A very interesting huffington article which seems very relevant to this topic http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/joseph-finlay/jeremy-corbyn_b_7838596.html I add that although the huff article is pro Left/Corbyn and presents the 'data' in a way positive to the Left/Corbyn, I do not agree with a number of the conclusions the writer posits even given his clear bias. Despite this, I believe the article is worth reading and drawing your own conclusions. -
Isis Cameron is looking to get parliamentary approval for strikes in Syria, despite approval being rejected in a prior parliamentary vote, and Cameron ignoring this and sending some british pilots on strikes in Syria with the US forces. Not sure what has changed here regarding Syria, or whether this is being done in conjunction with Camerons prior mortal enemy, Assad - the official government in Syria whatever Israel/UK/US claims, who is also fighting ISIS. It will be interesting, and undoubtedly deeply disturbing, to see how this is all played.
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Beauty products from the skin of executed Chinese prisoners http://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/sep/13/medicineandhealth.china
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Labour Leadership battle
tobyjugg2 replied to tobyjugg2's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
My take is that if Labour splits into its 2 main parts, CENTRE/left and LEFT then although the Tories may still be the largest single party (vote wise), it would always be a minority Government, I think we need much more of precisely that as a failsafe best of whats available at least until Labour can come up with a real plan of action that we could believe in. They would all have to negotiate to get policies through. Sounds great to me, but they all would undoubtedly find some way to turn a trick with it. Where is Guy Fawkes when you really need him? .. probably living in an Ecuadorian Embassy. :/ -
Labour Leadership battle
tobyjugg2 replied to tobyjugg2's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
The crazyest thing is that the party seems to be not just worried, but actually afraid that someone who needed MP's to be 'talked into nominating' to even get into the contest might win it. Madness. -
Labour Leadership battle
tobyjugg2 replied to tobyjugg2's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
I think its way past time the Labour party split into a left and right wing. They might work together better in Parliament as two parties than they do as one. It seems impossible to me that Corbyn would lead Labour into government - other than as a weak opposition. Just consider how well the greens are doing with many of those policies? Mind you, I can't see any of the others inspiring either. It seems to me that Labour gift the Tories with government when they (Labour) should get by far the largest majority of the vote if they concentrated on the core working family vote rather than realistically unachievable albeit morally laudable social goals. Just like the Tories have imposed these welfare cuts to refloat the economy on the backs of the poorest, Labour should be targeting the bankers, the tax evaders to refloat the country, and not with one liner rhetoric, with solid defined plans. Then the votes would stream in and so would they (into govenment). The politicians all talk about it but NONE are doing anything - all target the easy marks, which is the poor and unorganised. -
Ok to monitor public communications, but not MP's http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33631589 Who remembers the Phorm/121media/webwise interceptions and trials by BT and VM? American link as it was majorly hushed up in UK http://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-draws-fire-for-monitoring-app-usage-browsing-habits/
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Labour Leadership battle
tobyjugg2 replied to tobyjugg2's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
Shambles isn't it? Hope is fading. clarification: Comment is regarding the process and actions of those involved in attempting to manipulate it, not the 'worthiness' of any of the hopefuls. -
Current economics
tobyjugg2 replied to unclebulgaria67's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
I think the real big problem is not only that we all know they do it, its that its been plastered all over the media and the worst that happens to them (except for a scape goat or two) is - Nothing. What has happened to all those staff who fiddled the mechanisms, and were reported on media in the act - some of them (not all of them) , who hadn't already moved job got fired - I think. Diamond lost his Knighthood and some bonus whoop e Doo and walked away with 10'ss if not 100's of £nillions. Why stop when its so profitable and non-prosecutable? Where are the prosecutions? -
I'm not following anyone other than threads I have flagged as interesting or reading 'new posts' by clicking on the new posts button. It seemed worthy of negative comment that someone was representing this forum on a forum elsewhere (whether 'officially or not) and calling folk (and staff apparently) there schills.
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Both your and Sabresheeps accusations that I have some sort of vendetta against Conniff is false and unreasonable. In fact I think Sabresheep is a worse offender in many ways. and regarding a private complaint, I thought about that, but in keeping with my reasons for doing this I believed that publicly raising this was better than a private complaint. This certainly isn't a vendetta against Conniff, he just seemed to be a perfect example at the time it came to a head for me. I note that a moderator has deleted my post in the other thread despite or perhaps because it references apparent poor practice of someone promoting this site elsewhere and then calling people there 'schills'. Beggars belief really. AND I absolutely agree with your point that differing opinions should be shared with a modicum of respect. Physicians heal thyselfs.
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Virgin Media - wrong DD details
tobyjugg2 replied to Klaus1508's topic in Broadband and other Internet issues
Any update on this please Klaus1508 -
Not every Sunday., and less of the insulting 'mild' But staff should be squeeky clean when acting as agents of this site, and closing threads and deleting posts is definately staff privilege. I didn't post this thread lightly, staff is a difficult position but these repeated 'imposing of staff personal opinion will undoubtedly damage the site. It affected me when I first came here years ago which is why I just used this site to see others experiences for so long. and its not just Conniff by any means, he just happened to be involved in what looks like a current double whammy that nudged me into action.
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Too true, but as so few paid even the lower amounts, I have major doubts regarding any positive effect on anything at all.
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Current economics
tobyjugg2 replied to unclebulgaria67's topic in The Bear Garden – for off-topic chat
I agree. The problem is that those in charge seem to perennially think they can 'manage it' to ensure it doesn't crash, and I don't doubt that those that are really in charge also think 'the population can pay if we get it 'wrong' again, and in the meantime, we will make big profits. sad that we allow it. -
It seems to me that this site is negatively impacted by the whims of staff personal prejudices. Here is seems to be a prime example: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?449234-Chinese-economy-worrying-! Conniff makes a blatantly offensive remark (it seems to me), which was apparently quite rightly challenged (hard to tell as conniff unapproved it) and Conniff then deletes the post, and when further seemingly rightly challenged closes the thread. Very damaging and damning to the site it seems to me.
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The following may be useful : http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/speedingoffences/drivingbanspeedingoffences.htm Not that I condone speeding - I don't.
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