Just received a NTK from these chancers for allegedly Stopping in a Zone where stopping is prohibited.

It was near Scun thorpe Football Club.

I certainly didnt see any signs highlighting this.

I have read numerous posts on here about ignoring

however, I dont want any negative marks on my credit file.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Hi .. I have moved your post to the Private Parking Forum so that you will get better help. Keep posting here.

Can you answer the questions here please

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?462118-Have-you-received-a-Parking-Ticket&p=4883055&viewfull=1#post4883055

And post up the ntk, suitably redacted and in pdf format, please....

Exact location plus dates of event and date you got the demand as well please. They are most important

For windscreen tickets (NTD) please answer the following questions.

1 The date of infringement? February 2018

2 Did you appeal to the parking company?

If yes, has there been any response?

If no, have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? Just received so haven't appealed it yet. An NTK received and photo evidence provided

3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Contravention Reason 46) Stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited

4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process?

[it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances] N/A as yet

5 Who is the parking company? Vehicle Control Services Limited - Site name Gallagher Leisure Park

For tickets received through the post (Notice to Keeper) please answer the following questions.

1 Date of the infringement 17/02/2018

2 Date on the NTK 23/02/2018

3 Date received 28/02/2018

we only needed the text so ive copied it to your post

can you scan the NTK please to PDF

When people ask for the exact date we want that and the time as well.

you MUST READ carefully what is asked or you will end up with problems of your own making.

Now start again with the letter they sent you through the post or the ticket affixed to your vehicle or give us the details so date, time, exact place, what contractual condition you allegedly breached etc, who the parking co is and whether they have put the correct loaction on their letter

I didnt think you would need exact times etc.

Do these companies not trawl the forums to see who is seeking assistance

I have looked at the site in question with Google Street view and I can see nothing so a visit to the site is in order for you to get pictures of any signage there. All I can see is a cabin at the entrance and a sign stating something about access for the emergency services. This area is at the Odeon cinema but the camera car did not go into the site as it's private land.

On the cabin is a small parking sign (far too small to form any contract) I also cannot see any ANPR cameras at the entrance so that is another thing for you to look for.

As this is VCS, they don't use PoFA to chase the keeper. They assume the driver is also the keeper and follow that blindly. If this went to court they would have a hard job saying you were the driver even though you are the keeper as anyone can drive your car if you allowed it and as long as they had their own insurance which would then give them third party cover. You don't even have to tell the judge that you were the driver.

Once we see pictures from the site, more advice will be given

it doesn't matter they read here

infact its an advantage

then as soon as they recognise a case they are more likely to drop the matter as they know that you will cost them money.

We asked for somehting that is critical and have asked twice so post it up or you wont get any help that means anything.

It is not about parking any more, it is about contracts and they have to jump through a lot of hoops to create one that means anything so the more we know about that the easier it is to show you where they have gone wrong.

I didnt think you would need exact times etc.

Do these companies not trawl the forums to see who is seeking assistance

They cannot force anyone to name the driver as it is a Civil not criminal matter, so their favourite cases do not and cannot apply so Elliott V Loake, and AJH Films are not applicable no matter what they claim.

As to Norwich Pharmacal to force the driver to be named, too expensive and useless for that purpose.

there is no such thing as no stopping!!

read

https://cse.google.co.uk/cse?cx=partner-pub-8889411648654839:6449422593&ie=UTF-8&q=no+stopping+vcs+excel&sa=Search+CAG#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=no%20stopping%20vcs%20excel&gsc.page=1

I have managed to find the place where the alleged infringement took place. It is around the Old Farmhouse pub which is near to the rear or the Travelodge. Not easy to find. I suspect there was a camera car around. Did you park in the pub car park? That is the only place I can see any CCTV.

As it stands, I can remember no cases where VCS have taken court action using the no stopping rule

As it stands, I can remember no cases where VCS have taken court action using the no stopping rule

They have tried it at least once. VCS v Phillip. C9DP2D6C @ Liverpool CC 07/12/2016

It did not end well for them

They have tried it at least once. VCS v Phillip. C9DP2D6C @ Liverpool CC 07/12/2016

 

It did not end well for them

Bookmarked with thanks. I don't remember seeing that one before

Hi Silverfox, it is the road leading up to the Farmhouse pub. It wasnt in the car park

The signs along that road are prohibitive in nature (NO STOPPING) therefore there can be no 'meetings of mind' and as such, only the landowner can sue and for trespass only which if no damage was done then a nominal £1 is all the landowner could get.

I don't see this getting anywhere near a courtroom.

Would you suggest a reply to their correspondence or just ignore

I would ignore everything but court papers. Let them waste their money on chasing you. IF it does get that far, it would be either Gladstones or BW Legal doing the leg work but when it comes to actual court, they get very shaky because they know that a well defined counterclaim or even a simple defence would see them off.

Yep, if you get a letter from the solicitors it will be sensibkle to respond to that pointing out the problems with their clients claim and the fact that they know this from previous experience and you expect them to obet the SRA and court protocols and warn ther client they have no claim

Thanks Silverfox and ericsbrother. I will ignore for now. Will keep you informed of any further correspondence

Well surprise, surprise, the second letter has arrived increasing the fine to £100 stating it has to be paid within 14 days of issue. They have also requested the name and address of the driver of the vehicle

they cna request it, no obligation or inference if you dotn oblige

Fine?? Doesnt say that does it?