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Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Wonder if anyone can give me advice

 

i also received a letter from cli said formal debt recovery notification

 

says we are international debt collectors and have been appointed to recover your debt and i have 7 days to pay it in full

 

they are saying i owe 29033.14

its a debt from kuwait

 

i lived there 2 years ago

my brother was falsely imprisoned

we managed to get him out

but feared for our lives so had to leave

 

when i got home i made many attempts for months to get hold of the bank to arrange something as little english i didnt get anywhere and gave up trying.

 

Im really worried

i cant afford to pay that also

 

dont believe the debt was that much.

Can they take me to court if kuwait debt

can kuwait sell the debt to uk to recover.

Any advise and help please

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Cli are not really debt collectors. They simply provide letter templates.

 

If the Kuwaiti creditor wants to take you to court in the UK to recover the debt, then they would have to organise this themselves using a UK Solicitors. If your Kuwaiti contract allows courts outside of Kuwait to consider your debt, then yes it is possible a UK court could become involved. Please do not assume that a UK Solicitor writing to you means that a UK court is possible. They may simply be trying to collect the debt by worrying you, without any intention of going to court.

 

If you receive any letters from a UK Solicitors, come back for advice. At the moment, you should not reply.

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Thank you for your advice im so worried.

 

I dont want them coming round my house or it ending up in court.

And thats the trouble with kuwait there isnt a law they make it up day by day.

 

I dont have any paperwork for the loan either as they dont provide it.

 

I was wondering can they sell the debt to uk company then it becomes uk debt and also kuwait do not have a postal service so take it thats why they are going through this company they are more like am agent?

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They can't send anyone to your door

 

A dca is not a bailiff!!!

 

No legal powers whatsoever!!

 

Ignore them!!

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Last time i checked CLI are not registered to deal with debts. They simply provide template letters and it would be up to the Kuwaiti creditor to appoint someone authorised in the UK.

 

At the moment, they can't send anyone to your address to even try to discuss the debt.

 

They can't sell the debt to a UK debt buyer and try to enforce here as the debt is under Kuwaiti law. The Kuwaiti creditor would have to be able to enforce in a UK court first and if they were successful, then it becomes a UK matter.

 

Ignore this for the moment. It is just a fishing letter hoping for a response.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 2 weeks later...

Just received a second letter now with final demand.

 

Saying refer to previous request of payment and note they have not heard from me.

 

We have explained why you should not ignore.

 

Then saying to contact by letter email telephone.

 

We will listen and work together to try and find a solution to avoid the consequences of further action being taken.

 

Should i also ignore this letter

 

. I dread every time the postman comes now.

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Ignore. Read previous comments.

CLI cannot do anything.

 

If the Kuwaiti creditor wants to take the matter forward, they will instruct UK Solicitors to write to you.

 

If you receive a letter from Solicitors come back for more advice.

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That's all powerless DCAs can do

Create worry

 

Ignore

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Got another letter today they are very persistent.

 

Saying final notice they have checked cosumer data base and confirn i live here.

 

Saying they will inform their client i have not taken the opportunity to resolve this amicably.

And for them to take further action.

Then saying for me to make a repayment proposal .

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Another template letter which anyone can download and send out. Doubt they have checked any records other than those available to everyone.

 

As for advising their client, CLI are posting these letters on behalf of the debt owner presumably and only informing them of any replies. So no replies, mean nothing to report.

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tough you are not ignore them totally

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I looked on their site for the letters

you have to choose the country

kuwait isnt even on there

 

 

god knows who they have done it.

 

 

Might explain why the amount they say i owe was converted from USD and not Kuwaiti dinar

there is no postal system in kuwait

 

 

seems they may be going through someone else as well

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Hi

Was wondering if you have heard anymore did they come round any more letters or court proceedings. I recieved signed for letter today but never signed for it but managed to read it it said they are coming round to retrieve the debt or grt my finances.

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no it does READ IT PROPERLY!!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi

Was wondering if you have heard anymore did they come round any more letters or court proceedings. I recieved signed for letter today but never signed for it but managed to read it it said they are coming round to retrieve the debt or grt my finances.

 

They are not registered with the FCA to carry out debt collection in the UK. All they offer are template letters to creditors.

 

With a foreign debt, it has to be subject to a UK court application to enable it to be enforced in the UK. If the foreign creditor wants to pursue they will employ UK Solicitors.

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Stressing out now

 

cli sent another letter the first 3 have been second class this one was signed for didnt sign for it but managed to read it.

 

It says they will be coming to my house to retrieve the debt or grt my finances then if i dont answer they will keep trying then court.

 

Can someone please help i have tried so many places for advise but cant help as international debt.

 

The debt is kuwait also but the letters was usd converted to pound but in kuwait its dinar.

 

Also no postal service over there.

 

Its stressing me out

 

i need to know can a kuwait debt go to uk court where do i stand this cli what authority do they have etc.

Any advise would be great.

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posts moved to your existing thread

 

now go back and read from post one again.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just to show you, this is their FCA status.

 

http://fca-consumer-credit-interim.force.com/CS_RegisterSearchPageNew?accId=627201

 

Lapsed interim registration. They just send template chasing letters out. If the foreign creditor wants to enforce the debt in the UK, they can apply to UK courts. UK Courts are quite helpful to foreign creditors, so yes it is possible they could try. But you would recieve a claim from the court, which you could defend and only if you lost could the debt be enforced. Even then, you could apply through the court to make affordable payments to the creditor.

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thread merged

 

 

please jo keep to one thread!!

 

scroll right up to the top and go read this thread again from post one

 

things have already been explained to you several times

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you for your reply very helpful.

So worse case its goes to court if i do a payment plan is it still foreign debt or does it become uk and will it effect things like re mortgage etc.

 

I have been reading the whole thing but everyone said they are just letter they cant do anything. But im asking where i stand if they do and who in fact are these people and why it was coverted from usd when it kuwait debt which isnt dollar.

 

They seem very persistant every week a letter and now saying they will knock on my door and keep making regualar attempts until contact is made where do i stand there.

And how do i check they have no rights to come in or take me court

 

Consumer credit business

Entering into a regulated credit agreement as lender; and exercising, or having the right to exercise, the lender's rights and duties under a regulated credit agreement.

Inactive 30/09/2015

 

Credit Intermediation Article 36A1 Limited to activities specified in sections D-F of that article Inactive 30/09/2015

 

Debt collecting Debt collecting Inactive 30/09/2015

No right to canvass off trade premises

 

So am i right in reading when in the letter they gave me option for a payment plan they are infact breaking there regulaions the same if they turn up at at my house?

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Thank you for your reply very helpful. So worse case its goes to court if i do a payment plan is it still foreign debt or does it become uk and will it effect things like re mortgage etc.

 

If this foreign debt is turned into a UK court judgement, then it becomes a UK debt and recorded as such, so yes would affect UK credit applications.

 

You would have a CCJ recorded and could apply to the court for affordable payments to be made.

 

If you read up about foreign debt enforcement through UK courts, if the claims are defended, then there is a good chance of avoiding a CCJ. You would request original copies of all financial agreements, statements of account, default notices and other documents pertinent to the loan to be supplied, with copies of the documents in English. There is a process to be gone through, that might well take months. I can remember reading that UK Solicitors often just give up, as they don't want to incur costs, unless the creditor is paying.

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CLI have no rights to be sending letters as they have.

 

Yes you could complain to them and organisations they are members of. They are members of the Credit Services Association, who will look into complaints.

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