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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
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After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hi all,

 

 

not been on for some time now, but would like some advise from you wonderful people!

 

Had a debt with First Direct/HSBC for £1700.

£400 of this was for unfair charges which I had been in discussion with First Direct for over 3 years.

 

 

Had gone very quiet for 2 years when

 

 

in January of this year I received Notice of Assignment from Sigma Red/SPV.

I notified them of my dispute with First Direct and they answered this with this claim form:

 

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o473/pabrmu/SigmaPOC.png

 

I contacted them to ask why only claiming £299.99 plus costs and they said it was to keep costs down.

 

I then spoke to a learned associate of mine and he said that if this was him, he would pay the claim

as he considered that they had shot themselves in the foot as they should be claiming the whole amount.

 

 

He quoted case law Henderson vs Henderson of 1843 and this was still current law.

This law states that it would be an abuse of process to make the same claim again after already starting litigation.

 

I have no doubt that Sigma will claim that on their POC, it stated " part only of monies due", but the law states that all should be claimed.

 

When I settled their recent claim by cheque,

I enclosed a letter stating "Full and final settlement of their claim" and have not heard from them yet,

except for them to state that they would now be demanding the balance of £1400.

 

Any views would be much appreciated.

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Interesting....The company has only been registered with companies house since March of this year

 

Name & Registered Office:

SIGMA SPV 1 LIMITED

5 BECKSIDE

EAGLESFIELD

COCKERMOUTH

ENGLAND

CA130SQ

Company No. 07977205

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Hi 42 man.

Thanks for your reply.

Have had a quick look at Bryan Carter, but can't seem to find anything specific to partial claims.

Can you possibly help further?

Thanks.

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Hi Pabrmu

 

I think you have answered your own question, this is indeed correct:-

 

" I then spoke to a learned associate of mine and he said that if this was him, he would pay the claim as he considered that they had shot themselves in the foot as they should be claiming the whole amount. He quoted case law Henderson vs Henderson of 1843 and this was still current law. This law states that it would be an abuse of process to make the same claim again after already starting litigation.

I have no doubt that Sigma will claim that on their POC, it stated " part only of monies due", but the law states that all should be claimed."

 

Regards

 

Andy

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I have had exactly the same; even the claim form is the same.

 

 

Please let me know what the outcome is and whether they are still going to persue you for the capital amount. They are upto something.

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Hello to pabrmu, rayin & anyone else kind enough to offer their advice & expertise to our plight.

I wanted to introduce myself & hopefully connect with you, as this thread closely mirrors my own & I am desperate for some help. Have you made any progress since posting this thread?

 

Unfortunately, serious health issues have kept me away for quite some time & make it hard for me to keep going at times. So receiving my own near identical copy of the Sigma letter you have posted here, really devastated me this morning. After comparing, they are the same, right down to the date 21/12/2011, in the 'Particulars of Claim' box, name of solicitor, stating it as a demand for 'part payment' & identical amounts for claim, costs & fee's. I agree that something just feels a bit 'off' with it, especially given that this is the 1st i've heard of Sigma.

 

The account connected to this, was an HSBC credit card that my Hubby was given approx 25 years ago, by what was then Midland Bank. It has been in dispute since 2008, using your great letter templates, after a SAR gave us only a small amount of more recent statements & a CCA request yielded 2 photocopies of an ancient, damaged Midland Bank pamphlet & a modern HSBC CCA, with nothing pertaining to my Hubby whatsoever on any of the paperwork. What we were sent was way outside the time frame for compliance too.

 

Despite HSBC being well aware of our dispute, the matter yo yo'ed back & forth between them & various DCA's for a long time, before a lull & now this bombshell. I'm finding it very difficult to cope with this, as it's a new one on me & i'm alone with my kids, as my Hubby is contracted to work abroad. How can they be permitted to do this? Do our rights count for nothing? They've done everything wrong, ripped us off in the 1st place (won't go there) & now i'm having panic attacks (big ones) in my own home. I really have had enough & only keep going for my children. Wow, sorry to sound morbid.

 

Please, is there anyone that can advise me on what to do with this? Just knowing someone has listened & pointed me in the right direction would help me stay strong i'm sure.

 

Thank you for your time & best wishes to all.

 

CM.

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interesting....the company has only been registered with companies house since march of this year

 

name & registered office:

sigma spv 1 limited

5 beckside

eaglesfield

cockermouth

england

ca130sq

company no. 07977205

 

sigma spv 1 limited

oglier house

the esplanade

st helier

jersey

je4 9wg

thank you to all knowledgeable people on this site who give their time freely to help

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The Cockermouth address is NOT this company – the company is registered in Jersey. It’s basically the directors of HL Legal, now buying on their own account.

 

Completely different companies. Be careful!

 

Ms Rhona Anne Lavender needs reporting to the Law Society and SRA for deliberately splitting claims and attempting to mislead debtors.

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hi peeps,

 

As any1 responded to the claims against us from this company, I have received exactly the same letter as every1 including same wording as part monies and also the date as 21/12/2012. address jersey signed Rhona Lavender.

 

I have limited time to respond and woundering what i should do? any1 got any further or anything with this.?

 

thanks

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Hello,

Yes I have, I am currently awaiting the Allocation stage (although I have not heard anything) I submitted a defence and have not heard anything since. The claimant has 28 days after this. This has now passed but have not yet heard anything.

 

It's worth noting what Andy said here: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?347358-Sigma-red-spv&p=3815394&viewfull=1#post3815394

thank you to all knowledgeable people on this site who give their time freely to help

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Birdi there are loads of threads in Legal issues now offering sound advice- look through them and you'll soon orientate yourself. 42Man has also put up some other useful links...trawl through them.

 

To my mind the startegy is simple. Acknowledge the service of the claim online as quickly as possible. Then immediately submit CPR 31.14 and CPR 18 directly to the 'solicitors' [HL Legal]. Personally although the account is in dispute with original creditor, I'm putting in a parallel CCA request as well, so that when they [almost certainly] default on that, I also have the option of slapping a CPUTR request onto them, but that one is entirely down to personal choice. Remember it is THEM that have to prove not just that you owe them money, but that they have a legal right to pursue you for it.

 

With regard to giving into the temptation to pay this lot off in the hope it'll all just go away....I've made my feelings plain on this on other threads about this but to my mind it bears repeating. Do not pay a penny in claims like this for three reasons:

 

1] despite the 'second claim illegalities' arguments, I will bet you my bottom dollar that they will come after the rest. The first claim is legally dodgy in its own right, so they certainly aren't going to shy away from a follow up claim for 'legal' reasons, are they now. also when they come after you for the rest, you're immediately on the back foot because you've already paid them some interest on the account and so have therefore effectively acknowledged the debt, so how can you now argue you're not liable for it? Good luck with that in front of a DJ minded to cut claimants in these situations as much slack as possible.

 

2] If some bloke came up to you in the street one Saturday afternoon and said to you 'Hey mate for a few quid I've just bought a few account numbers from the bank and your name is on one. Pay me £300 quid now and another £50 for my trouble, or else,' you'd tell him in no uncertain terms where to go, wouldn't you. Well in principle, this situation is no different than that.

 

3] By paying them,you are only confirming to them the validity of this dodgy business model. If this method can show a profit, this dca will continue using it, as will many more. It needs to be kicked in the teeth now and shown to be un-profitable, so DON'T pay them a penny.

 

Face them down with proper procedure and let them know you know your stuff and are prepared to defend [which is their greatest nightmare- they won't want to go anywhere near a judge with a claim like this], and they will scuttle away.

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The Cockermouth address is NOT this company – the company is registered in Jersey. It’s basically the directors of HL Legal, now buying on their own account.

 

Completely different companies. Be careful!

 

Ms Rhona Anne Lavender needs reporting to the Law Society and SRA for deliberately splitting claims and attempting to mislead debtors.

 

Reporting dear Ms Lavender is indeed very high on my list of To Dos :)

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Birdi there are loads of threads in Legal issues now offering sound advice- look through them and you'll soon orientate yourself. 42Man has also put up some other useful links...trawl through them.

 

To my mind the startegy is simple. Acknowledge the service of the claim online as quickly as possible. Then immediately submit CPR 31.14 and CPR 18 directly to the 'solicitors' [HL Legal]. Personally although the account is in dispute with original creditor, I'm putting in a parallel CCA request as well, so that when they [almost certainly] default on that, I also have the option of slapping a CPUTR request onto them, but that one is entirely down to personal choice. Remember it is THEM that have to prove not just that you owe them money, but that they have a legal right to pursue you for it.

 

With regard to giving into the temptation to pay this lot off in the hope it'll all just go away....I've made my feelings plain on this on other threads about this but to my mind it bears repeating. Do not pay a penny in claims like this for three reasons:

 

1] despite the 'second claim illegalities' arguments, I will bet you my bottom dollar that they will come after the rest. The first claim is legally dodgy in its own right, so they certainly aren't going to shy away from a follow up claim for 'legal' reasons, are they now. also when they come after you for the rest, you're immediately on the back foot because you've already paid them some interest on the account and so have therefore effectively acknowledged the debt, so how can you now argue you're not liable for it? Good luck with that in front of a DJ minded to cut claimants in these situations as much slack as possible.

 

2] If some bloke came up to you in the street one Saturday afternoon and said to you 'Hey mate for a few quid I've just bought a few account numbers from the bank and your name is on one. Pay me £300 quid now and another £50 for my trouble, or else,' you'd tell him in no uncertain terms where to go, wouldn't you. Well in principle, this situation is no different than that.

 

3] By paying them,you are only confirming to them the validity of this dodgy business model. If this method can show a profit, this dca will continue using it, as will many more. It needs to be kicked in the teeth now and shown to be un-profitable, so DON'T pay them a penny.

 

Face them down with proper procedure and let them know you know your stuff and are prepared to defend [which is their greatest nightmare- they won't want to go anywhere near a judge with a claim like this], and they will scuttle away.

 

I am completely at one with you on this skemdosser....oh yeah and Ms Lavender is at the top of my to do list too

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Solidarity Nana, and we will prevail with a nice sharp crack of the whip :whip:

 

And then blow me down roll me over and tickle me with a [dog-eared] copy of the CCA 1974, the address to send your complaint to the SRA appears to be in....Redditch of all places. Talk about serendipity!!!

How to report a solicitor or firm to the SRA

 

When reporting, please

  • set out your concerns clearly,
  • identify individuals you consider responsible,
  • attach any evidence you have in support.

To send your information to us:

More info here:

http://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/problems.page

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Hi all, Sigma red and Sigma SPV 1 Ltd are all the same company.

Sigma SPV1 Ltd is a Jersey "Front" for Sigma Red. (Offshore Company)

Sigma Red & Sigma SPV 1 Ltd was financed by "CYRUS CAPITAL" as from 6th September 2011 with up to 20 Million to spend on Delinquent debt portfolio purchase. It is a 5 year contract.

Tim Freeman (Sigma Red) set up the deal. If you google "CYRUS CAPITAL" you can read all about it in a credit today review.

The Sigma group consists of Sigma Red/Sigma white/Sigma SPV1Ltd/HL legal & collections and of course HL solicitors.

Its all "Smoke & Mirrors" in order to confuse people. The bottom line is its all HL legal & collections. (Redditch)

Same faces just different names.

Hope that helps.

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Hi Lucky and Skemdosser.

Thank you for your advice.

Unfortunately, I had already paid the first part of the claim, so too late to take skemdossers advice.

I am not counting my chickens, but they seem to have gone very quiet over the past 6 weeks or so.

Message to Lucky Lord Lucan. Would you be able to assist if these chancers come again with another claim?

Thanks again to all.

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Hi All,

These chancers did come after me for the balance of £1300 odd in June 2012.

They actually sent another letter as if they had already issued another claim form.

I contacted them and they apologised, saying the letter was sent in error.

I wrote back and said that I did not accept that this was an error, but a deliberate attempt to scare me.

I further advised them that I would be keeping all correspondence and would be prepared to show it to a court as proof of their underhand tactics if they were foolish enough to try litigation in the future.

ALL HAS BEEN QUIET SINCE THE END OF JUNE.

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Hi y'all,

Would be extremely grateful for advice.

 

Had a Small Business Loan (SBL), which is subject to CCA rules from HSBC.

 

 

The repayment amounts were made from my current (Trading As) account.

 

Got into financial problems 2008/2009 and closed bank account in June 2009 owing them £1800.

 

I started Section 77/78 requests regarding the SBL in 2008 and no agreement forthcoming.

 

 

In fact, a SAR showed that they admitted not being able to locate or reconstitute the agreement.

 

What they did then, without telling me, was to put the balance of the SBL, £13000, as a closing balance on my current account.

 

 

I have managed to bat HSBC and about 20 of their agents off over the last few years,

but they have now sold the debt to a particular aggressive company,

which I don't want to name as yet, and they are now saying that the current account is not subject to Consumer Credit law so I should pay up.

 

Whilst they are obviously correct regarding current accounts, can anybody help with this sort of issue?

 

Many thanks for looking.

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I may be wrong but AIUI because they offset the CCA a/c to another which wasn't subject to CCA they have in effect turned the current a/c into one which is now covered by CCA because they have been combined....... if you understand what I mean.

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By combining the loan with your current account, they have removed your protection under the CCA1974 and quite simply they cant do this.

 

You might want to consider an Official complaint to HSBC's Head office, pointing out that what they have done is wrong and in breach of all the regulations.

 

Was there any Payment Protection on the loan ?

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