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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hi Chaps

 

I was on income support up until 4th Jan 2010 and then had a letter telling me I had not being awarded enough points in a ATOS examination which took place on 14th Dec 09.

I am brutally honest when I saw I am suffering from severe depression and anxiety and still to this day on tablets with my GP for my condition.

I had to sign on to JSA from the 5th Jan 2010 and actively seek work despite being ill and cannot concentrate on normal day to day activities.

The examination lasted no more than 15 mins and I was asked a serious of questions that did not even have any connection to my illness , ie can i dress myself and cook for myself , can I walk downstairs and watch the tv and read , can I bend at the kness etc etc.

I told the examiner I was not happy with the questions being asked as they did not relate to my illness in any way whatsoever.

His reply was he was not interested in my past condition and was only basing his examination on how I felt that day , I abruptly stopped him and asked how he could judge a case of severe depression on those questions and how I felt for just that day.

I reminded him I have been fighting my condition with help from my GP for over a 18 months and depression is a very serious illness with good days and nightmare days , since the death of my father in late 2007 , this along with mortgage worries and other creditors as not helped my case.

I have written to OTIS Origin to complain and also wrote an appeal letter to the DWP saying I am not happy in the least.

The medical examination was a rapid fire set of questions from a pre loaded computer program and this seems to be the case for everyone despite what condition they may be suffering from.

Since going onto JSA I receive £257.20 a month and I have to pay £173.94 to my mortgage to top up the interest payments which you can imagine trying to live on £80 a month is nigh on impossible , its a struggle even to keep up my utility bills never mind food costs , house insurance ,tv licence etc etc

Any ideas how to proceed as its only a matter of time before my health worsens as I cant even afford to eat correctly these days.

 

Thanks for reading and hope you can help me overturn the decision with your advice.:Cry:

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can you go onto ESA? that's what me and other half are on, she has same condition as you. on that, if you fail the medical i believe they keep paying you so long as you instantly lodge an appeal. my partner has to post off her sick notes to keep getting the benefit

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Yes I have already sent my letter of appeal in to Chester and a letter of complaint to Otis Origin.

I am not in the right frame of mind to be seeking work on JSA but my option was go on JSA for £64.30 week or appeal and only get income support at a far less amount think it was £12.85 a week , what a joke.

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chips, i defer to your knowledge, but how bad is that if the GP says unfit for work but the chimps at atos say get on with it???

 

 

When you make a claim for ESA you agree to a declaration which states that

 

"You agree to your doctor, or any doctor treating you, being informed about the Secretary of State’s determination on your limited capability for work. "

 

Which in laymans terms means you agree to Atos overruling your Doctors decision

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When you make a claim for ESA you agree to a declaration which states that

 

"You agree to your doctor, or any doctor treating you, being informed about the Secretary of State’s determination on your limited capability for work. "

 

Which in laymans terms means you agree to Atos overruling your Doctors decision

 

Apols Nick, I just want to be a bit pedantic here. I have no objection to my GP being informed by the Secretary of State what they have determined my capability for work is. My GP is my medical professional who understands my needs and understands my condition. Advising treatment as necessary. If the SoS disagrees with her I know who I'm going to believe!

But this does not mean I am agreeing to ATOS overruling my GP. It is simply the agreement of information to be exchanged.

ATOS provide assessments of a persons potential to work. I have no problem with that. They are doing so, unfortunately, with neither the desire, the equipment nor the knowledge to assess a persons health in relation to work. This I do have a problem with. A persons GP is a fundamental lynchpin in their healthcare assessment. They are wilfully - and, imo, foolishly - disregarded by the DWP and not consulted. Ergo, ATOS cannot provide a full and accurate assesment.

Rae.

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John, ESA is designed to help people get back into work whilst managing their illness/disabilities as it was apparently found that the vast majority of sick claimants wanted to be working. ESA also gives them a chance to try work and still claim benefits for up to a year without losing out. And that it was better for them (mentally/physically) this is what we were told, unfortunately it would appear that something is not quite right. Can't comment too much but am pleased to add that I am not involved with ATOS and am interested to see if things can be changed for the better.

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true chips, my other half would love to go back to work and put all our troubles behind us, but the rub comes when you are phsically/mentally too ill to work, which your GP is fully understanding of, and trying to make you better, but the ESA so called doctor just makes up his own mind and tells you to 'get on with it'. Bang go the benefits and no chance of being able to work.

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Hi

 

As A Benefits Advisor and a person that does appeals on ESA / incapacity benefit and Disability Living Allowance, let me try to explain these ATOS medicals, most companys have an appeal percentage of around 5%

ATOS HAVE A STAGGERING 20%, where ESA Medicals are concerned

 

You have to acheive the minimum of 15 points from the medical to remain on ESA/incapacity benefit, the large majority of people from these medicals receive o points,(EDITED)

 

People who fail these ATOS medicals should always appeal to the DWP for an oral appeal, which is held by a independant tribunal

the large majority that appeal will find they will win there case I have seen hundreds of examples where the client has gone from o points to 15/26 points on appeal.

 

I would suggest you appeal straight away you can get help from your local CAB office or benefits rights agency, you can even do the appeal yourself

i have yet to see DWP or ATOS attend a tribunal

 

one of the recent cases the ATOS medical failed to see that a client had a leg amputated and gave o points, of course on appeal he won easily

 

Depression with medication and Anxiety should be at least worth 15/ 20 points, the medical has no concern of your health, it is designed to get you off the benefit, it is planned to try to remove 12000 people a week from ESA/ incapacity benefit, whether fit or not !!

 

Disability Living Allowance will be also controlled by ATOS medicals from 2013 god forbid, the simple answer is always always appeal

 

Regards

 

Colin

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A really good site for anybody to join thats has experienced the ATOS system or any other benefit problems (EDITED)

 

no i am not employed by them, neither do i believe Prime Minster Cameron

when he states we are all in this together, if your disabled, sick, vunerable less well off or old, you are going to get hit !!

 

Always always lodge an appeal when you score below 15 points at a ATOS medical you have a 90% chance of winning on appeal

 

beleive me I see it everyday

 

Colin

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Always always lodge an appeal when you score below 15 points at a ATOS medical you have a 90% chance of winning on appeal

 

beleive me I see it everyday

 

Colin

 

Cheers Colin I won my case on tuesday just gone , Atos are a bunch of the lowest **** to walk the earth.

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I'm on my way to the Tribunal, had the medical in Jan but still no word when it will be!

 

You mention about the appeal, when you have the evidence you think will help, why do the DWP say that they will not re-consider it, as it must go to the Tribunal? Why don't they look at it and if they are still not happy, they send it in to the Tribunal?

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You mention about the appeal, when you have the evidence you think will help, why do the DWP say that they will not re-consider it, as it must go to the Tribunal? Why don't they look at it and if they are still not happy, they send it in to the Tribunal?

 

Well my experience with the appeal team of the DWP is best described as a bunch of retards who don't listen and all they want to do is cause you hardship and suffering , bunch of ******* :lol:

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A really good site for anybody to join thats has experienced the ATOS system or any other benefit problems is (EDITED)

 

no i am not employed by them, neither do i believe Prime Minster Cameron

when he states we are all in this together, if your disabled, sick, vunerable less well off or old, you are going to get hit !!

 

Always always lodge an appeal when you score below 15 points at a ATOS medical you have a 90% chance of winning on appeal

 

beleive me I see it everyday

 

Colin

 

Hello Colin. This is a subscription website as I understand it, am I right?

 

HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Always always lodge an appeal when you score below 15 points at a ATOS medical you have a 90% chance of winning on appeal

 

beleive me I see it everyday

 

Colin

 

I wish it was 90% but it's not. Definitely worth appealing though, I am.

 

dj

Benefits rules are complex, and although I do try to inform and support people, I may get it wrong because the rules apply to individual claimants and their particular circumstances.

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You mention about the appeal, when you have the evidence you think will help, why do the DWP say that they will not re-consider it, as it must go to the Tribunal? Why don't they look at it and if they are still not happy, they send it in to the Tribunal?

 

The DWP looked at my case again (exactly the same person as the first time) and then decided it was to go to tribunal....

 

The problem is what the practitioner has put down in the report is %*&$@&" wrong by a long way, what I said and did, and what is written is two completely different versions of the same examination!

 

Upon further investigations on the web this appears to be a regular discrepancy in the ATOS regime, such as the question about are you seeing a specialist - I answered no because I'm not any more, I did however see one 12 years ago!

 

Another trip (and I mean what I say there) question is about going to the shop, seems simple enough a question but if you answer this without giving too much detail then it goes against you in about 50% of the questionnaire (same as: Do you own a computer, with internet access?)

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Hello there. Please have a read of my sticky on this forum and I hope it helps. It's based on how my OH and I argued my case and the wrong information input by Atos.

 

In my case, the tribunal were fair and I think most caggers have found the same thing. You need to prepare your case carefully and go through the Atos submission with a fine tooth comb. If you can get help from CAB or Welfare Rights for example, that should stand you in good stead.

 

My best, HB

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Another aspect of these medicals is how the journey times are rigged. I got my letter today to go for a medical, they included a travel plan. An able bodied friend tried it, it took 2 hours & 40 minutes. ATOS says it takes 1 hour & 11 minutes. This is because the DWP say you can't travel more than 1 1/2 hours to a medical. Rigged from beginning to end.

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