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    • What type of finance is it?   HP, PCP, Loan? They want her to ring so they can bully her into making payments she can't afford...unless she can record her calls then IMHO, I'd keep everything in writing. Is £400 SSP her only income? There's no chance they will justify taking half of that.   Lodge a formal complaint with them ASAP, exhaust it, and then you can escalate it sooner rather than later, ruddy sharks!  
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    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
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Anyone know what the result was for the case taken against BG for non dd admin fees ?

It was on the news that the case was due to be heard and then nothing ....wonder if they paid up ?

Virgin media now make Telewests charges look tame...its a tenner for late payment...a fiver for non DD admin fee and a charge for paper bills (presumably there is because they are offering a discount for ebilling)

so thats another 16 quid potentially every month.

Am getting ready to do my part 2 claim...I totted up and its about 300 quid...wouldnt mind but VM are not the best around....theres a lot of competition now.

 

oops just remembered.....this is all bout Gas penalties :rolleyes:

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Hello I wonder if anyone can advise me on this.

 

My girlfriend moved house a few months ago, when she moved she paid off an existing arrears on her gas and also told them that she was moving (so they could settle her account).....3 months down the line she gets a letter from BG saying she had to pay for the gas INCLUDING the 3 months since she moved out. She called BG and disputed this and they sent a new bill out a few days ago. The bill includes a £14 charge which is apparently an admin cost (how much are stamps these days?) for sending out lots of letters......they had sent them to her old address. Can we get them to cancel this charge as it is clearly BG fault for sending the letters to the wrong address?

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It's not just about paying on time, BGas troll - I'm disputing a single £14 surcharge with BG from a couple of years ago and I've refused to pay that portion of the bill ever since.

 

And why £14? Their MD said in early 2007 that late payment cost them £5! And their web site says clearly that BG does not charge for late payment.

 

When I don't pay the late payment penalty (sorry, telemessage charge) part, they add another £14 for another 'telemessage'. And another. And another etc. Up to about £80 quid in 'telemessage' charges so far.

 

So they are continuously penalising me for not paying the, er, fine. Can they do that?

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Hi

Ive read all these messages with great interest.I can see loads of frustration by BG customers ---and rightly so!!

My ex boyfirend died recently and I'm executor of his estate and I am amaze that his outstanding BG gas bill of £1100+ is made up of over £500 worth of charges.(BG told me that today on the phone)

His electric with BG is over £1770 and I assume includes tonnes of charges too

Ok, he didnt pay his bills but nearly 50% of the gas bill is charges!!

I'm getting a SAR issued after nearly and hour on the phone with BG and just getting told " its due and should be paid" ---not on their NELLY until I am satisfied that the bills are correct!!

 

Has anyone challenged & won against BT re charges?? I'm interested because when I get a full anlaysis of the bills/charges I'd sure like to have a go at them.

After reading someof the messages above --BG are behaving just like the DCA that this site has fought tooth and nail with and WON

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A SAR wouln't be appropriate AIUI only the data subject can request this, and it doesn't extend to executors. However, with the requirement to sort out the affairs, you simply want copy bills to substantiate BG's figures and this shouldn't be a problem.

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seville Yes you should make sure the utility bill is correct as, although only anecdotal at the moment, there does appear to be a pattern of utility companies submitting what turn out to be on closer scrutiny greatly inflated final bills

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An executor is for all intense and purposes & LAW the deceased therefore can make a S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) although you shouldn't have to as the utility should comply with any request to provide information failing which tell them they won't be paid until they do

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Thanks Busby & Joncris

I've cooled down a little after the marathon telephone call with BG.

Think I will just write to BG for an analysis of the bills/charges and hold off with the SAR(if they get stropy I'll pay the £10 for the SAR).Why the hell should I pay £10

I'm due to get probate in about 10 days (I was at the probate court yesterday)which gives me more power to demand information.

 

Once I get the analysis of the charges/bills I most probably will be back on the site for advice of what I can claim back. ----if anything.

If you know what I can claim back or know of any links that give advice then ---I'll sure be grateful.

Anyone know anything about claiming the charges/what charges you can get back from BG ??

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Well what you need to do, is contact British Gas and tell them you will go to the papers about their service.

 

If you get no joy, then contact consumer direct , who are a watchdog for consumers. Provided you have raised issues with your supplier already then you will find they can help.

 

You can then take your complaint further to the ENERGY Ombudsman

 

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I cannot let the above quip go without a response. I was with Npower because they were the supplier for the previous tenant and I inherited them and they have to be the most inept and useless supplier on the market as they cannot even get a simple request correct.

Prior to taking occupancy in May 2008 I gave Npower a reading and also requested that they remove a redundant related meter. I phoned on three different occasions requesting they to remove the metering as I did not want to incur unnecessary standing charges. Eventually through Energywatch I got the metering removed. In tne meantime it prevented me changing suppliers and moving to a cheaper tariff due to the fact the meter showed up as a related meter and a supplier is obliged to register both and who is going to register a meter than is not going to give them any income.

Despite giving Npower an opening reading on three different occasions, Npower still got the opening reading wrong by over 400 units. My final bill in October was in the region of £218 but on challenging Npower on this it was agreed that the bill was incorrect and that they would have to issue a new bill. Again they were given an exact closing read and this was verified. The new bill will take up to 6 weeks due to the huge backlog. I worked out my bill in about 10 minutes and it is less than £70! I doubt very much whether they will come up with the same amount and the saga will continue.

If Npower had not been given millions of customers on a golden plate, they would have gone out of business years ago.

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So to keep it simple for my remaining overworked brain cells:

 

The "telemessage" is a letter warning of late payment, and the charge of £14 is therefore a "penalty charge" which recent case law (bank charges) says is unlawful.

 

Have I got that right?

 

 

and can I quote: OFT v Abbey National PLC and 7 others

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For the first part;

 

A 'Telemessage' was BT's replacement to the Telegram. It allows firms (and a dedicated BT call centre) to send a message electronically to someone who only had a physical address. It was branded 'Telemessage' with the letters being printed off in bulk and posted 1st Class in distinctive yellow window envelopes.

 

Since is was nothing really like a Telegram, more like posting a letter, it didn't really catch on. Utilities and debt collectors started using it as a way of making their clients contact them, as the identity of the sender could be concealed. I understand that the service (from BT) now no longer exists, and was quietly dropped. So 'real' Telemessages are no more.

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Sorry to be pedantic, but they don't exist anymore (Telemessage. not BG). Here's a quote from BT's online Price Guide;

 

 

BT Price List

 

Section 23:Telemessage

 

Part 1:Usage Charges

 

Subpart 1:Product Information

 

BT no longer provides a personal greetings telegram service. For further information on Telemessage, please visit the following website:

 

Btaccurate.com - btaccurate Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

 

Not only that, the website given as a point of contact has similarly been discontinued. The use of the term 'Telemessage' is therefore a gross misrepresentation - a [problem], in other words - and aimed to make their communications to seem more important than they really are.

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