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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. 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Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Hi folks,

The keeper received correspondence today from DCBL. 

The keeper has received previous correspondence from (Possibly) Parking Eye and Debt Recovery Plus, all of which has been ignored with zero contact with either company.

The keeper has moved house twice since the original PCN but has kept DVLA informed of every move and V5 updated accordingly.

The driver recalls entering the car park but didn't see any signs indicating payment required.

The drivers friend happened to be in the same car park a few days after original PCN was received. Friend is a truck driver and said there is a sign but at truck windscreen height. Driver was in a small vehicle and, due to being careful as to where they were driving, did not see the sign.

Original paperwork has been lost while moving but keeper still has scans of paperwork from Debt Recovery Plus.

Driver was on site for approximately one hour after a long drive and was resting.

After having read previous cases on here, is it still safe to ignore?

1 Date of the infringement 15th September 2020

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] Unsure 

 

3 Date received A/A

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] A/A

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Driver recalls there was a screenshot of the reg plate, but it wasn’t a very good one. 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No.
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up A/A 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Eye?

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] MFG ESSO Cobham Gravesend 

 

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35 minutes ago, Buncrana said:

The keeper has received previous correspondence from (Possibly) Parking Eye and Debt Recovery Plus, all of which has been ignored with zero contact with either company.

According to this DCBL letter, their client is Euro Car Parks Limited. Has the keeper possibly got more than one PCN on the go?

 

36 minutes ago, Buncrana said:

The keeper has moved house twice since the original PCN but has kept DVLA informed of every move and V5 updated accordingly.

The keeper has been fortunate then. PPC's can use the "original" keeper info from DVLA to pursue their charge. They don't have to keep checking DVLA for changes of address.

The keeper should now write to Euro Car Parks and update them with the current address to avoid any chance of a back door CCJ.

Make sure a proof of postage is obtained and keep it safe...

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ParkingEye/DCBL Yet another MFG Esso Cobham

yes.

the PPC's DONT have to return to the DVLA before they issue a court claim.

WRITE to EPC stating correct and current address <<V IMPORTANT

you dont want a backdoor CCJ.

thread title updated.

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to EPC/DCBL PCN - MFG Esso Cobham

Ah, apologies Nicky, you’re right, it is Euro. 😊

Hi DX,

Glad to see you’re still around 😊

The keeper and driver have had no contact with any company regarding this. 

Seeing as this is the second DCA involved, wouldn’t it open a can of worms by getting in touch with them?

Also, the vehicle has since been sold.

I don't suppose that makes any difference?

I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing.

I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help.

Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection.

I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you.

A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire.

The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals.

The NTK is also in there.

If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight.

Thank you for the responses so far :)

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  • dx100uk changed the title to EPC/DCBL PCN - appealed - MFG Esso Cobham
6 hours ago, Buncrana said:

The keeper has moved house twice since the original PCN but has kept DVLA informed of every move and V5 updated accordingly.

you MUST write to them still. else guaranteed backdoor CCJ.

scan everything up bothsides to one mass PDf in date order.

read our upload <<Clickme guide carefully and use the online websites 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi folks,

I'll write to EuroCarParks and let them know the change of address.

Would it be sent to the Penalty Charge Notice section in London, and should I notify them via the website as well?

DX100, I'll sort out all the correspondence as requested :)

LONDON
Euro Car Parks, 30 Dorset Sq,
London NW1 6QJ
Tel: 020 7563 3000

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Buncrana said:

Penalty Charge Notice section in London

eh?

where does it say its a penalty charge = FINE?

it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand

no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything.

Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter

hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do).

Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS.

Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves.

10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either.

the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get.

where your post said fine it now says charge

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi DX,

 

I was using their terminology so that the letter would get to the right department and not get lost in their system.

I'm also putting in the letter that I do not acknowledge any debt to them or their minions.

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they dont and cant use those words at all.... it would be an offence for them to do so.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 minute ago, Buncrana said:

I'm also putting in the letter that I do not acknowledge any debt to them or their minions.

eh?...no

you are simply telling them you have moved...:crazy:

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Tracked is NOT necessary.

1st or 2nd class will suffice.

Just make sure you obtain free proof of posting and KEEP IT SOMEWHERE SAFE...

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why waste money on scammers?:whistle:

all you need in law is to prove something was sent.

use a 2nd class stamp and get free proof of posting from any po counter.

dx

 

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Hi Folks,

 

Thank you for your help so far.

Please find below the correspondence so far from various parties.

If I've missed anything, please let me know.

Again, apologies for not posting the correct stuff. I thought I'd lost it all, turns out it was on a rarely used pc :)

Letter advising of change of address will be posted shortly, with proof of posting not tracked.

Buncrana :)

 

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please merge all the PDF's in date order else we'll be here allday downloading single page files.

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Afternoon DX,

The files were in date order.

How would I put them into an acceptable format?

I'm not that pc literate.

 

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2 hours ago, Buncrana said:

How would I put them into an acceptable format?

 

21 hours ago, dx100uk said:

please merge all the PDF's in date order else we'll be here all day downloading single page files.

if you read upload

it tells you and even gives online sites to use.......

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you Nicky, that’s very much appreciated 😃

Just a thought, now that it’s been turned over to another DCA, does that work in my favour?

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means nothing.

just trying to kid people its going up some kind of chain.

get reading a good few threads here each day.

dx

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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