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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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MET/CST ANPR PCN Claimform - occupants left carpark - (346) SOUTHGATE PARK STANSTED CM24 1PY. **CLAIM DISCONTINUED**


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why not simply check other thread with 

- occupants left carpark -

in the title for the same address??

i also note you've not picked up by reading around that you can even at this late stage appeal to starbucks/euro garages...

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

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I received a response from CST Law on behalf of my CPR31-14 request (I didn't think they'd bother).

It consists of:
1) All letters sent to myself (NTK, Debt Recovery Plus Letters, Letter Before Claim)
2) Parking enforcement contract with landowner 
3) Photographic evidence of the parking contravention
4) Relevant signage

I have uploaded these documents for reference.  I have not uploaded copies of previous debt chasing letters or the NTK and Letter Before Claim as these have been previously uploaded. 

In summary, I note the following:

1) Notice to Registered Keeper was dated 25 days after parking contravention (is this too late for a claim to be made against the keeper?)

2) Vehicle entered at 10:41am and left at 11.09am (a total duration of 27 minutes

3) Photographic evidence of occupants heading towards McDonalds

4) Photographic evidence of occupant heading to Starbucks.

5) Two signs behind vehicle parking location:

 a) Sign 1 indicates 60 Minutes Free Max Stay, and then in smaller print indicating that the parking is for South Gate Park -Stansted Customers Only, Park within lines, Disabled Badge Areas, and Hatched Areas. 

 b) Sign 2 (placed below Sign 1) refers to Pay By Phone for stay greater than 60 minutes, and within the small print of this sign they have written "McDonald's is not in Southgate Park"

The issues I have with the ludicrous court claim by Starbucks/Met Parking Services/CST Law

1) Vehicle parked for only 27 minutes

2) Occupants used the facilities within the service area.

3) It is not clear from the prominent sign that Southgate Park does not include the whole services area, you would only read sign 2 if you had the intention of "paying by phone" for a longer stay and therefore they have not made it clear that McDonald's is not in Southgate Park.

Signage indicating that the car parking spaces are for "STARBUCKS CUSTOMERS ONLY - WE WILL PROSECUTE YOU IF YOU GO TO MCDONALDS" in large font would make it less confusing to people.

4) You enter the service area via McDonalds, if there really are two different service areas, why is there not a separate access point to the Starbucks carpark.  Or an automatic barrier control for access to and from the Starbucks car park making it clear you are entering a separate area.  

5) Why is pedestrian access not restricted between Starbucks and McDonalds (a gate/fence with restrictions on would be clearer)

6) Why is there a zebra crossing leading from Starbucks out of the area and a paved footpath to McDonalds?  This is an encouragement for visitors to Starbucks to also visit McDonalds?

Surely, this is all common sense and it is nonsense to pursue a claim for parking contraventions.  

But if they want to go ahead with their court claim it won't worry me, as win or lose they will be the ones highlighting the nonsense of their regulations to the court and press, and just maybe something will be done to change their behaviour to save others falling foul

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On 02/01/2024 at 16:09, lostthebrick said:

The issues I have with the ludicrous court claim by Starbucks/Met Parking Services/CST Law:

the claim is nothing to do with starbucks they are not named as the claimant nor the solicitor.

On 02/01/2024 at 16:09, lostthebrick said:

Signage indicating that the car parking spaces are for "STARBUCKS CUSTOMERS ONLY - WE WILL PROSECUTE YOU IF YOU GO TO MCDONALDS" in large font would make it less confusing to people.

because they cannot do that, its called reverse trespass, a land owner cannot prosecute you for leaving their land nor entering someone elses.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You refer to their court claim as "ludicrous", and of course you're right ...

... but in a sense it's not ludicrous at all.  It is sensible.  This is a scam site.  It has been exposed as a scam site on national television.  It makes complete sense to have these absurd rules that have no connection to sensibly running a car park if you want to scam motorists.

Anyway, on to what they have sent.  You've already sussed their invoice is too late for keeper liability.  Plus the pathetic signage.  All excellent meat for your WS later down the line.  Oh, CST Law can't reply straight away re planning permission!!  I wonder why!!!

BTW, have you done what dx suggested in post 27 re Euro Garages?

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I have a had a look at their contract. It seems scandalous that they can include clamping in 2013 when it was outlawed in October 2012. Not sure if that renders their contract unenforceable -perhaps the Site team can inform. 

In any case there does not appear for Met to have permission to take motorists to Court.

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12 hours ago, FTMDave said:

You've already sussed their invoice is too late for keeper liability.

 

I'm a bit confused what the legality of this is. 

I've read around the internet that NTK should be issued within 14 days for ANPR when no ticket has been stuck to the windscreen, and if later the keeper can not be held liable. 

How does this work in law? 

Can a claim be thrown out of court simply because the claimant failed to issue a NTK within 14 days, and they do not know the identity of the driver to prosecute? 

Could a court demand that you identify the drivers details in order for the claim to be correctly addressed to the driver, or to confirm that you were not the driver in question?

Plan for this week is to complete the MCOL defence before the deadline, write to EURO Garages as suggested. 

Will also be penning a letter to my MP to highlight the issues this car park is having on motorists.  

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3 hours ago, lostthebrick said:

Can a claim be thrown out of court simply because the claimant failed to issue a NTK within 14 days, and they do not know the identity of the driver to prosecute?

Firstly, they don't prosecute anyone. Prosecution is for criminal actions. They sue.

Invariably, the PPC's issue a vague claim against the Keeper / Driver... If they continue the action after Witness Statement exchange, the "throwing out" relies on making your POFA case to the Judge on the day. (Among other things).

3 hours ago, lostthebrick said:

Could a court demand that you identify the drivers details in order for the claim to be correctly addressed to the driver, or to confirm that you were not the driver in question?

No. That's why POFA exists.

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does the POFA line of defence only cover NTKs issued after the 14 day period? 

Why is this 14 day period relevant? 

I appreciate this is only one line of defence in my case, but just want to understand the basis here, and will possibly help others reading.

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18 minutes ago, lostthebrick said:

So does the POFA line of defence only cover NTKs issued after the 14 day period?  Why is this 14 day period relevant?

No, POFA has numerous aspects, which could be relevant to defence....

Here's a little light reading...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4/enacted

 

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How the law works in England & Wales is that anyone can sue anyone for anything.  If I knew your address I could pop onto MCOL now and start a court claim against you for say £200 because I don't like the style of shoes you're wearing today.  In a couple of days a claim form would pop through your letter box.  It would only cost me £35.

In fact I might even win the case - if you failed to defend by the deadline or if you were so terrified of going to court that you gave in.

In fact that's why the PPCs start court cases which are often hopeless.  It's a numbers game.  Presumably most people give in.  If the motorist doesn't give in then the PPC can always discontinue and lose just £35.  Or they can try their luck in court and take a hammering from time to time.  Sadly they still make a profit on the court game.

I think the logic that you must receive the invoice within 14 days is because it would be unfair to expect someone to remember an event from months before, plus there has to be time for an appeals procedure.

So they know you are the keeper of the vehicle.  They sue you.  You argue in your Witness Statement that they are suing the wrong person, they should be suing the driver.

Scenario 1 - the invoice has arrived within 14 days.  That bit of your defence fails.  They are allowed to sue the keeper.  The case is decided on other points.

Scenario 2 - the invoice hasn't arrived within 14 days.  That bit of your defence wins.  Case dismissed.

Scenario 3 - the invoice hasn't arrived within 14 days.  But in an appeal you have admitted to being the driver.  That bit of your defence fails.  They are allowed to sue you.  The case is decided on other points.

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I have emailed both Euro Garages and the MP for Stansted (Kemi Badendoch). 

I've received a response from the MP which is word-for-word the same as the response received by HONDA Z50 (October 2023) - see wording: (https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/462450-met-anpr-pcn-occupants-left-southgate-premises-appeal-refused-starbucksmcdonalds-southgate-park-stansted-airport-cm24-1py-cancelled-by-euro-garages/?do=findComment&comment=5230662) - post #44. 

Oh well, at least it's another complaint about MET Parking Services registered with the MP's office if nothing else.

I have also filed my MCOL defence submission today (per the template in an earlier post).

Now it's time to wait... but in the meantime I'm enjoying reading all the forum posts from other motorists who've also had issues with MET Parking Services and this car park in particular, and the great advice given, it's helping build my case.  I'll report back if there's any progress on my story.

 

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Just Checking Brick,

You posted a draft defence on 21st Dec, but you've not confirmed that you've actually submitted it...?

(Only asking, 'cos it's been forgotten before... more than once!)

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24 minutes ago, lostthebrick said:

I have also filed my MCOL defence submission today (per the template in an earlier post).

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Had a follow up letter from CST Law relating to my CPR31-14 request, regarding the planning permission of signage:

"Our client have advised that it is not their responsibility to obtain any relevant planning permission for the signage.  It is the responsibility of the site owner to obtain advertising permission to put the signs up.

You will therefore need to contact the landlord for this information/evidence.

We recommend that you seek independent legal advice if you have any queries heron."

 

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really...oh dear..met haven't got a clue.

can we see this letter please to PDF.

did they who the landowner is?

i suspect they said landowner not landlord too?

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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yes says site owner and latterly landlord.

which is wrong on both front as the parking company must have planning permission granted by the relevant council not piggy back on the back of any previous permission granted to the landowner.

i think you may be able to help lots of people here.

write back and ask could they provide the contact details of the land owner and the landlord their clients parking contract is signed with.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The reason for the 14 day limit is that if Met fail to deliver in time they cannot transfer the charge from the driver to the keeper. There are other errors that these rogue companies could make to also render the PCN not compliant.

It does mean that the driver is still responsible . On the upside it will be difficult to prove who was driving since so many people can legally drive your car.

 

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I have noted on MCOL that a DQ has been sent to me on the 01/02/2024, but nothing has been received through the post.  I have tried ringing them, but after 30 minutes on hold gave up.  Now emailed, but the auto response has said it may take 10-20 days to reply.

Question for the knowledgeable.  Are delays in receiving the DQ to be expected, even though the MCOL system states it's been sent?  Worried about the time frames to return the DQ, what are these normally, wouldn't want to become foul of a default judgement?  Should I download the online form from the Gov website and complete and return via email without receiving official form via post?

I've tried looking on this site, and the wider internet but apart from mentions of delays and backlogs, could not see anything about DQ's not received.

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Nothing to stop you preparing in advance then you are just waiting for the courts notification return date

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I've noted from the MCOL transactions screen that DQ's have been filed by both sides and that the claim has now been transferred to my local court as of the 18th of March. 

I await to receive a letter from the court detailing next steps, but in the meantime have been reading up on WS formats for defendants, and will post a draft for review soon.  

I noted this one was quite well written:

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/406892-highview-parking-anpr-pcn-claimform-urban-exchange-manchester-claim-dismissed/page/3/#comments

but do any of the caggers here know of other ones to look at?

Any help where to look would be appreciated as I find the search function quite hard to use.

 

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