NPE/CIS CCTV? PCN PAPLOC - Lombard Place London E3 5Fa, Not Parked In A Marked Parking Bay

[Reapstar]

Hi all, 

Doesn't seem like I am having much luck recently.

I received a PCN from these people for allegedly not parking in a designated bay on 

I was actually dropping a family member off at their home, I reversed into the opening of the area where we sat talking with the engine running, it was one of those situations where I really had to go and my family remember wouldn't stop talking. I was certainly not parked however and was totally unaware of any rules in the area I was waiting because I had reversed in.

Upon return to the site to see what signs were about, I noticed one in the bush covered by bushes and trees, something which I would ever have seen anyway. In the image they sent you can see my brake lights on, so my vehicle was clearly not parked.

I have ignored their offers, now I  have received a letter saying "NOTICE OF INTENTION TO INSTRUCT SOLICITORS".

Is this a letter before county court claim?

What should I do at this stage?

 

The area in question is :
 

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Thank you kindly for all of your help.

[dx100uk]

please fill out our sticky 

[Reapstar]

Hi DX thank you for your quick reply, sorry to be a pain but could you link me to the correct sticky, im not quite sure which one it would be?? Thank you::: edit found it..!!

 

1 Date of the infringement 20/02/2023

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 27/02/2023
 

3 Date received 05/03/2023
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? NATIONAL PARKING ENFORCEMENT LTD

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Lombard Place, E35FA
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

IAS
 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

 

docs1.pdf

[dx100uk]

can you get a better scan of the 2 pictures please

is one a windscreen pcn never put on you windscreen or is that a close up of you number plate?...

dont do anything nor appeal

await the letter of claim if one ever comes???? 

[Reapstar]

I will do, I will have to done this evening, please bear with me and thank you for the response!!

The pictures they have sent on that letter are as is, very poor, I cant seem to get a better scan of it, but you can clearly see my brake lights on which means the vehicle was not parked and unattended. I was literally sitting in the vehicle unaware of their hidden signage. 

[Reapstar]

I will just continue to wait for the letter before claim

Edited June 4, 2023 by Reapstar

[dx100uk]

other thread is more imp.

 

dx

 

[lookinforinfo]

When you said you reversed into Lombard Place you did mean from Hewlett Road didn't you? And how far did you reverse down into Lombard Road? Or were your front wheels on what would the continuation of the kerb along Hewlett road?

[Reapstar]

Hi Lookinforinfo,

I drove past Lombard Place and reversed into the spot marked on the image attached,

I genuinely didn't see the sign, it was dark and I hadn't seen anything, I was also not parked, I was in the vehicle dropping a passenger off, to me this is waiting, not parked,

I would put it to them to prove I was parked and that the vehicle was unattended, even in the image they have taken, you can see my brake lights on, indicating im in the car. 

lombard.pdf

[lookinforinfo]

They have taken a liberty even issuing you with a ticket. You are only halfway into the area so obviously not parked plus I don't think there are any signs in the entrance to Lombard Place indicating that it is a private road. So you wouldn't know of the sign behind you. You  cannot break a contract you knew nothing about and their fault for putting the signage so far down the road.

Don't waste time appealing-total waste of time  arguing with someone that has less brain power  than 10,00 amoeba.

[Nicky Boy]

Correction... less brainpower than ONE amoeba!

[lookinforinfo]

You are right Nicky-what was I thinking?

[FTMDave]

As your family member presumably lives near this car park, the best thing they can do is get photos of the hidden signage both during the day and at night.

They could come in very handy for later on.

[Reapstar]

Thanks Dave, I will do!!

The thing is, I have not noticed their sign at all whatsoever, so how can any contract have been formed, I would need to notice their notice in order to be notified of any terms and conditions so I can consider them prior to entering into any kind of agreement. That's how I see it?

It just seems like people taking advantage of contract law to engage in criminal activity as far as I see it. It's not exactly fair what they are doing here. 

[FTMDave]

Spot on.

[Reapstar]

Why are we surrounded by criminal predators that are allowed to engage in this kind of behavior? 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Reapstar
typo

[dx100uk]

civil (court) matter ...so unlawful..

not illegal .... thats a criminal (magistrates) court matter.

 

[Reapstar]

Hey guys, just an update on this particular case, another offer to pay.

Just to confirm and for everyone following, I sit on my hands until letter of claim?

OfferToPay.pdf

[dx100uk]

ref showing at the bottom.

you only have to remove your name address and PCN/ref/reg no... NOT ALL DATES TIMES AND FIGURES!

 

not a letter of claim

dx

 

[Reapstar]

Would it not be possible now to respond to these people saying that they are mistaken and that there is no valid charge against the registered keeper and to kindly note that engaging in conversation with me costs £200 per letter. At this moment in time, as a gesture of good will, this fee has been waived.

However, any further correspondence will incur fee's at the aforementioned rate. I will accept any kind of response to this offer as your explicit consent to undertake this agreement....

Then.. in my mind, they have been notified of my terms and conditions, they are also aware that I do not agree that I owe them any money and that chasing me for it will be a costly affair, especially if they are not 100% sure that they have a valid legal case against me, either way, they will proceed,

I will proceed and the costs will begin stacking, surely there is a way to prove a contractual obligation should they wish to pursue in the same way they are trying to pursue me for some kind of alleged contract?

Or perhaps I am just wrong again??

[dx100uk]

same as when you asked all this last time...TWADDLE!!

 

[Reapstar]

Cheers DX, but I don't understand why it is all one way?

[FTMDave]

Just laugh at the letter and ignore it.

Did your family member get the photos of the rubbish signs?

[Reapstar]

I've only got another one through the post today for eating at the local harvester... I definately entered my reg number... smh. 

 

Please find attached reuploaded letter minus reference as pointed out by DX.

Also find attached two images of their overgrown unnoticeable sign  

OfferToPay (2).pdf LOMBARDPLC.pdf

[dx100uk]

still removed unnecessary stuff..

 

Parking Charge Date & Time: ????
Location & Contravention ???