G24 ANPR PCN - appealed - Robin Retail Park, Wigan

[Dadbod1]

G24 ANPR PCN - exceeded free parking by 11imns - Appealed - Robin Retail Park, Loire Drive, Wigan, Lancashire WN5 0UH - Private Land Parking Enforcement - Consumer Action Group

 

I’ve just received the same rejection letter and wondering what to do.

 

My first PCN was received after 18 days, so out of time for them. I didn’t name the driver and stated they were too late to chase the keeper for payment. Appeal was rejected so unsure what to do now.

[honeybee13]

Hi Dadbod, welcome to CAG.

 

You need to start a new thread of your own please and fill in the same questionnaire as blueboy. This thread is for advising him.

 

Once your thread's up and running, we'll have a look at your situation for you.

 

Best, HB

[Dadbod1]

Ok will do! Thanks

[Dadbod1]

Hello,

 

I originally received a contractual parking charge notice stating that the driver of the vehicle had overstayed the maximum limit by 30 minutes. Limit was 180 mins and the car was clocked out after 210 mins. 
 

I appealed this initially stating that as the owner I’m not liable for the demand for payment. They also sent the letter after 17 days which is too late to charge the keeper I believe.

 

appeal was obviously rejected but I’m not sure what to do next, if anything.

 

also, just to throw into the mix that I’m moving house in a couple of weeks so I won’t receive any further letters from them.

 

thanks

[Nicky Boy]

Hi Dadbod,

 

Please fill out the sticky below and upload all the correspondence you've had with the fleecers.

 

Also VERY important... You MUST let them know your new address when you move (to avoid any back door CCJ attempts).

Let them know by letter, keep a copy and remember to get your free proof of posting!

 

 

[honeybee13]

Thank you for starting a new thread.

 

You already seem to have done some reading on PPCs but if you read some more on 'default CCJ' on this subforum, you'll see that they can start a court case against you at an old address, you hear nothing about it, they get a CCJ by default and trash your credit file.

 

You could either set up a Royal Mail redirect or possibly let G24 know the new address. I'm not sure if telling them is right at this stage of your dealings but the guys will know.

 

I see Nicky Boy has just posted the sticky I was about to put here, please let us have the information in that.

 

HB

[Dadbod1]

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

Please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement - 27/3/23

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]  - 6/4/23

 

3 Date received - 13/4/23
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] - N
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? - yes, on entrance and exit to car park
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] - Yes, explaining I wasn’t the driver and therefore didn’t enter into a ‘contract’ with them. Driver hasn’t been named
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] Y

 

They rejected my appeal, see attached
 

7 Who is the parking company? G24 Parking Management Solutions

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Robin Retail Park, Wigan
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS

 

 

G24 Email Appeal Rejection.pdf

[dx100uk]

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[Nicky Boy]

From their appeal rejection...

 

"At the time of the offence the information provided by the DVLA confirmed you as the registered
keeper of the vehicle. Please contact the DVLA and request written confirmation that you are no
longer the registered keeper of this vehicle. The DVLA will provide a letter of confirmation to you.
You must forward this letter to the Disputes Department so that we may look into this further."

 

You said that you told them that you weren't the driver in your appeal...

Did you actually mention something about the keeper in your appeal?

 

Or, is this just the fleecers being thick? (As usual).

 

Also, where's the actual PCN? (Lookinforinfo will be itching to see it).

Edited May 3, 2023 by Nicky Boy

[Dadbod1]

I just told them I was the keeper but had no obligation to name the driver. I also mentioned they were late sending their letter out so they had no grounds to persue the keeper

[dx100uk]

might be best if you scan up everything in/out inc your appeal and the PCN+NTK (bothsides) to one mass PDF please

scan as JPG, redact, merge all to one multipage PDF

use the sites in our upload guide. 

 

[Dadbod1]

I can’t seem to find their original PCN, but it was the exact same as the one pictured here on pages 2&3 https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=49817&key=8c3a05f875930a5b741c44847eb34075

[dx100uk]

well lets have everything else please...

[brassnecked]

One thing in your favour is you have not outed who was driving, they know that from your email, might be useful further down the line.

[lookinforinfo]

Your theory that because the PCN arrived after 18 days rendering the PCN non PoFA compliant is not quite right. The Law is that a first class  letter is deemed delivered two working days from the date of posting.

Your PCN was dated the 6th April meaning that delivery would be expected  on the  Monday 10 th April  [Saturday and Sunday are not working days ] and so it would have been compliant had it not been Easter Monday. So even though your letter was not received until the 18th April, it was still non compliant by the reason that it was deemed delivered  on Tuesday 11 th April and thus one day late to comply with PoFA.

 

They have this weird notion that the keeper and the driver are the same person which in many cases they are not. But that is why they will continue to write to you because that are now treating you as the driver.  Just ignore them and pointless to appeal to the IAS since they are no more than a kangaroo court and rarely  cancel PCNs. 

[Dadbod1]

I told them about my change of address and they’ve now sent me a new letter. This time they say that the registered keeper (me) has identified me as the driver! That has certainly never happened.

should I continue to ignore?PCN_compressed.pdf

[FTMDave]

What utter buffoons.

Certainly ignore their tripe.

But make sure you keep all their letters with their lies so you can humiliate them later should they be daft enough to try court

[Nicky Boy]

You say you"told them" about your change of address...

On the phone or in writing?

If by letter, it would be interesting see what you actually wrote.

[Dadbod1]

It was using their online appeal portal and I simply wrote “please note my change of address as follows…”

there was a drop down box where I selected registered keeper

[dx100uk]

write by royal mail

 

dx

 

[brassnecked]

Royal nail second class free proof of posting from post office, that's evidence you sent it and they can't dispue it later.

[Dadbod1]

Thanks, I’ll use Royal Mail if I have to write again for any reason. 

[dx100uk]

Write now 

You don't ever want the agro of a backdoor ccj 

 

Dx

[Dadbod1]

They’ve already sent me a letter to my new address so I think that should cover me shouldn’t it?

[dx100uk]

NO!!

 

same as dca owned debts if you've moved.

 

go read backdoor ccj

 

dx