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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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So the DVLA treated the request as a SAR - even though you specifically told them it wasn't a SAR.

 

Could you please post up the e-mail address they replied to you with?  We have someone else in the same position as you and it would be very useful for the site.

 

I agree with LFI.  Surely the DVLA must have made a mistake.  That's unless you've had previous run-ins with EPS.

 

Actually it would be good if EPS didn't reply to the SAR - then you can sue them for that too!

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correct , even though i specifically stated it was not an SAR they treated it as an SAR

 

I have not had any previous dealings with EPS, so that wouldn't explain the response and suggests an error of some kind. i will check out the e mail address and post 

 

 

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If you look at the last page of mrk1's thread there is an attachment like the one the DVLA should have sent you  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/454610-ukpcdcbl-5-pcns-now-loc-parkhorse-shopping-centre-huddersfield-hd1-2rt/page/6/#comment-5196780

 

If you can post the e-mail address up it would be very useful for others in a similar boat.

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Got the address:  [email protected]

 

Given the DVLA have been pretty decent in replying quickly, I would write back and ask are they absolutely sure a private parking company didn't ask for details of vehicle XXXXX in February or March 2021 given one such company sent their PCN and subsequently started a court case against you.

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i have replied to the e mail for [email protected] for which my AR response came asking that they review their response stating that there has been no access to my data on the basis that a private parking firm contacted me in February 2021 stating specifically that they had obtained my details from DVLA so a response from DVLA stating that their had been no access request for my data doesn't not seem plausible 

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Am I right in thinking that you requested a SAR from EPS on 4 January and they haven't replied?

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Are options to tolchok them if they are out of time for SAR.

 

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that's correct , i sent the SAR by post to EPS on jan 4th after the various e mails bounced back. Unless anything came today , i have had nothing back from EPS so and was aware they were coming up to being out of time

 

I also e mailed the DVLA asking them to re-look at the information they sent  saying that there had been no requests to access my data yet a private parking company had obtained my data claiming that they had received my details form the dvla , but they have not responded to that e ,mail as i had .

 

In respect to the SAR non compliance from EPS , what are the next steps,  ? 

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Well you started off this thread wanting to hold the fleecers to account.

 

Well the good news is that you can now hold them to account - twice!  Both for GDPR and for the SAR!  In fact the SAR is easier and extremely straightforward.  There can be no defence if they haven't respected their statutory duty.

 

Have a read of these two threads by Caggers who have recently won SAR cases -

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/452147-loc-to-ncp-for-failure-to-supply-sar-paid-in-full/#comment-5180862

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/454456-loc-now-court-claim-to-spring-parking-for-failure-to-supply-sar-paid-in-full/#comment-5188824

 

The next step is to draft two Letters of Claim.  Examples for the SAR one are on the threads.  Post up two drafts when you get the time.     

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apologies for the delays , work and dealing with my fathers estate have been taking up all my time. I read through the threads FTMD shared which were helpful, Letter before action drafted as below based on those threads

 

LETTER BEFORE CLAIM

 

General Data Protection Regulations - Subject Access Request

 

Parking Charge Notice Number: XXXXX

 

To whom it may concern,

On Wednesday 4TH January 2023 I sent you a subject access request for a statutory disclosure of my personal data under the Data Protection Act.

You have failed to comply with that request and you have now breached your statutory duty.

 

This has caused me a great deal of distress not having my data in order to understand who is sharing my data and what data you hold on me, together with the necessity to chase after you to get this disclosure.

You have 14 days to respond, after which I shall begin a County Court claim against you.

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Good work.  Send that off today.  Get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.

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Given what @FruitSalad1010said about the necessity of starting GDPR claims promptly, I think you need to send the GDPR letter of claim.

 

Obviously this hasn't been done because you were hanging on to see the SAR documentation first, but EPS are refusing to answer.

 

Fortunately the early stages of bringing a court claim - the Letter of Claim and then starting the case with Particulars of Claim - are very simple & straightforward.  It's only later on that there is serious work to do. 

 

From your other thread I see EPS admit on their PCN they got your data from the DVLA (see attachment), so that's fine.

 

How about something like -

 

 

Dear EPS,

 

Re: PCN no.XXXXX, County Court Claim no.XXXXX, Breach of General Data Protection Regulations (GDPR)

 

I refer to your obtaining my details from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in the above matter. 

 

You had no justification for doing so.  The extremely-short stay of my vehicle was allowed under the government Code of Practice, the BPA Code of Practice, the IPC Code of Practice and indeed by your contract with the landowner.

 

This is an extremely serious breach as you used my details to begin a vexatious court claim which caused me considerable distress.

 

I require payment of the sum of £XXXXX within 14 days.  If you fail to effect payment I will start a claim in the county court.

 

Yours,

 

 

However, hang on a couple of days to see what the other regulars think.

 

Question for the others.  How much should the claim be for?  The breach is serious, but on the other hand if the OP claims for a smaller amount there would be less court costs + the fleecers would be more likely to give in + a judge would be more likely to agree.

 

For anyone who doesn't remember, the OP was sued by EPS for staying in a car park for ... 29 seconds!!!!!

 

 

@kfdh1962We know the fleecers involved Gladstones, which is sort-of fine as they are allowed to use solicitors.  Do you know if they passed your details to any debt collectors as well?

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I've tweaked the letter to include that the breach of GDPR caused considerable distress.

 

Anyone help with the amount of the claim?

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How much compensation will the court award me if my claim is successful?

This will be up to the judge hearing the case, who will take into account all the circumstances. This will include how serious the infringement was and its impact on you, particularly when assessing the distress you suffered.

If the organisation refuses or is unable to pay, you should ask the court how you can enforce the judgment.

You should also bear in mind that the court can award costs to you or against you in certain circumstances. For example, if you fail to demonstrate you have suffered damage or distress, the court will not award you compensation and could order you to pay the other party’s costs. Again, we recommend you seek independent legal advice to allow you to consider the risks of bringing a claim.

 

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/data-protection-and-journalism/taking-your-case-to-court-and-claiming-compensation/#:~:text=The GDPR gives you a,e.g. you have suffered distress).

 

This type of claim should really be issued using Part 8 type claim as the court will determine the award amount. Issuing on a Part 7 requires a value of the claim which obviously is unknown.

 

Andy

 

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There is a successful claim here for £500

 

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D6GM2199 CEL v Mr B, Bury County Court, before DJ Osborne This thread on MSE details the story of a motorist awarded £900 because a parki...

 

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Yes, but that was by way of counter claim (Part 20) in response to their claim...so he didn't actually issue a seperate claim.

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You need to move this on this weekend.  There is a limited time in which to take action.

 

Have you sent the SAR LoC?

 

Do you know if the fleecers also got debt collecting agencies to write to you?

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Guys,

 

Do CAG actually have any experts on GDPR breaches?

 

If not, it might be a better idea to find a no win no fee solicitor to take the case on.

 

Even if it means paying out a percentage of any win, isn't the main point here to take the fleecers to task?

 

Unless if the OP is in need of the cash..?

 

Also, looking around, it seems that the 6 year rule also applies to cases like this, so no need for urgency?

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We haven't got many GDPR cases, and there aren't many on other forums.  i think generally motorists are just glad to have got rid of the parking invoice and don't want to take it further.

 

However, I don't think this is a very complex case needing a solicitor.  Was there any valid reason for the fleecers to access the OP's details?  Absolutely not as shown by the contract and the CoPs.  Even if there was an initial mistake then they should have picked up on the error at reminder letter stage, not start a vexatious court case.

 

Was the OP distressed?  Clearly yes by a vexatious court case and this coming up in the middle of a house move.

 

In fact I'll get off the fence and suggest £600 as the figure.  The OP could use the persuasive case on the parking prankster's site which was for £500 and add that this is a worse case (a) because in the other case there was at least some evidence the driver had done something wrong, in the OP's there is none, and (b) the distress was worse, the OP was moving home and was extremely worried about missing court dates.

 

£600 is also the figure where High Court bailiffs can be involved.  By, er, coincidence.

 

But the OP needs to be here and dealing with the case.

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good morning , 

just catching up on all the posts from the last few days as i have been out of the country since Wednesday morning only arriving home late yesterday evening.

 

i am in a position now to send of the GDPR claim letter that you have all been discussing.

 

will take another look back through your posts now to draft my letter which i will come back and post up before doing anything

 

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