UK Power supplies Winter 2022/2023. Are you prepared ?

[honeybee13]

Could we clarify who are the elite please? I've never followed the logic.

[theoldrouge]

Everyone except for you, me and BN

HB

[honeybee13]

Very witty, but it was a serious question.

[brassnecked]

They are usually taken to include Aristocracy, but many of those have gone by the wayside, so UK Royalty, Rothschild's, Rockefeller's The Clintons in USA, and certain Tech Billionaores and Corporation CEO's.  Today the tewrm seems loosely applied to various people who might have the cash and wherewithal to influence Governments, so Bill gates, Klaus Schwab, Elon Musk, George Soros, along with other's who might be able to pressure governments to do what they wqant rather than what the People went, so for example Schwab and Gates  want us to forgo meat in favour of farmed insect protein and vat grown meat from stem cells that some Tinfoil Hatter's might claim are derived  from aborted animal and human foetus's.  What truth there is in that is open to debate.

 

The fake meat is already in production as is cultured cell grown infant milk  Biomilq.

Just a moment...

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[unclebulgaria67]

@honeybee13

 

I think if you search online, there is a lot of talk about the agenda of the elites.  Every Daily Mail comments section is filled with the conspiracies about how the 99% of the worlds population are being manipulated by Governments, plus the wealthy, hedge funds etc. 

 

 

[honeybee13]

And yet, the UK government with its fair share of men who went to Eton and Oxford, thinks the elite is someone else. Usually people who disagree with them. Rees Mogg talks regularly about the liberal elite.

 

Liberal elite - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

[honeybee13]

Another article on metropolitan liberal elites.

 

A journey in search of the north London metropolitan elite | British identity and society | The Guardian

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Last week the home secretary launched a blistering attack on an increasingly maligned species. We tracked them down to their fragile Hampstead...

 

[brassnecked]

So Elite is whoever you decide it is for your own viewpoint

[unclebulgaria67]

How do you think many businesses would cope with a 3 day week over the Winter period  ?

 

There has been some talk about businesses being required to operate for 3 days only, due to the energy cost and supply crisis ?

 

If the schools are only open 3 days per week,  then parents may be restricted to working only the days their kids are at school. 

 

It would not surprise me if there were 3 day weeks when temperatures fell below a certain set figure.

[brassnecked]

Its pointing in that direction UB many parents would not be able to work more than 3 days each propably as childcare and nurseries would also be affected.

[theoldrouge]

Never mind the 3day week,back in the seventies TV had to close down at 10.30pm when news at ten finished 

All power off at 22.30  now what would that do for the 24 hour economy?

[tobyjugg2]

6 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

The sooner someone has the guts to drop net zero the better

 

 

 

Its a simple fact that If we had moved quicker to a zero carbon renewable energy hydrogen economy

* We wouldn't be in this energy crisis/price mess

 

Now would we?

[brassnecked]

But they are more interested in Wind and Solar than Hydrogen it may seem, Drakeford as you know has a wet dream about giant 250 metre turbines dotted around Welsh hillsides.

[tobyjugg2]

You need the wind, solar and tidal (nuclear optional) to make green hydrogen

- both to burn in gas type power stations when the wind + solar etc isnt enough,

and to build a hydrogen infrastructure to enable hydrogen fuel cell powered cars  etc

 

[tobyjugg2]

7 hours ago, brassnecked said:

They are usually taken to include Aristocracy, but many of those have gone by the wayside, so UK Royalty, Rothschild's, Rockefeller's The Clintons in USA, and certain Tech Billionaores and Corporation CEO's.  Today the tewrm seems loosely applied to various people who might have the cash and wherewithal to influence Governments, so Bill gates, Klaus Schwab, Elon Musk, George Soros, along with other's who might be able to pressure governments to do what they wqant rather than what the People went, so for example Schwab and Gates  want us to forgo meat in favour of farmed insect protein and vat grown meat from stem cells that some Tinfoil Hatter's might claim are derived  from aborted animal and human foetus's.  What truth there is in that is open to debate.

 

 

Phhhuuut All the above obviously have various levels of influence, but demonstrably are not rulers of the world

 

So where is Murdoch? Banks? The Heritage Foundation? Patrick Orlando ... to name a few of the more obvious frontmen

[brassnecked]

They are in whatever category people want them to be in in their own mind,  

[tobyjugg2]

54 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

You need the wind, solar and tidal (nuclear optional) to make green hydrogen

- both to burn in gas type power stations when the wind + solar etc isnt enough,

and to build a hydrogen infrastructure to enable hydrogen fuel cell powered cars  etc

 

 

So imagine the gas to households is hydrogen rather than 'natural gas'

Fill your hydrogen fuel cell/hydrogen gas tank car up from your house supply needing little more than a compression pump adapter ..

 

Lots of infrastructure upgrade (pipe/seals) before we got there though so fuel stations would still be needed.

But the kick-start is at the power generation level

 

[tobyjugg2]

Those darn Europeans making the Brexiters look bad again

 

 

Factbox: Europe's efforts to shield households from soaring energy costs

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Europe is facing a sharp rise in power bills driven by sky-rocketing gas prices, as war in Ukraine and European sanctions on Russia heighten...

 

 

we have spent millions of taxpayer money subsiding the profiteering british success story companies, and give the plebs back about 10-20% of what we are taking off them to shut them up

 

(although we only announce how much we've spent of the plebs money on 'the energy crisis' and give them no detail of how we took their money and gifted it to our pals - then they will think we've given something to them)

[theoldrouge]

But of course green hydrogen is years away certainly won’t do anything for the current crisis and could well make matters worse 

 

https://www.edf.org/article/we-need-talk-about-hydrogen

[theoldrouge]

Or

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/22/china-and-india-have-potential-to-become-hydrogen-superpowers-csis.html

[tobyjugg2]

Nearer than any fracking or fresh North sea drilling options by years in time and  a fraction of the cost, and Hydrogen is effectively limitless.

We could have a number of power stations converted and the supply started inside 12 month.

- Thats renewable energy power STATIONS - not some fracked gas sold on the wholesale market to the highest bidders.

 

Hydrogen was costed as about 50-75% more expensive as a fuel than gas or oil about 5 years ago.

 

Yet fossil fuels have increased in cost far more than that, and hydrogen technology has developed cheaper and better in the same time period - even without a concerted effort or required funding levels.

and thats without the extreme damage to our ONLY livable planet that burning fossil fuels IS doing.

*** that says it all.

 

[tobyjugg2]

A FURTHER 80% rise in the cap

Actually already making it a 300% price rise already in just the last 12 months

With more to come

 

 

Ofgem raises energy price cap by 80% to £3,549 from October | Energy bills | The Guardian

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Increase will pile more pressure on government to announce further support for households this winter

 

 

Not good for a government who bragged that they were largely independent of Russian Energy .. Unlike Europe they claimed.

So why are our prices rising more?

Edited August 26, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

add this to the mix of exorbitant energy prices and profiteering, and the Ukraine (Europe's bread basket) war issues (and climate change problems)

 

India restricts wheat flour exports to ease record local prices | India | The Guardian

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Government also cites food security after heatwave stunted domestic wheat output and drove up prices

 

Is this the new normal? or is it jut the start?

[tobyjugg2]

 

[brassnecked]

No one will be available parliament is in Recess, so its a Zombie Government however Anton le Vey aka Nadhim Zahawi has helpfully (NOT) suggested we use less electricity.