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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Huddle Utilities Claimform - Shared Student Accommodation Util resellers - Elec/Gas/TV/BB/Water debt ***Claim Struck Out***


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well i cant make the claimform figure by adding  just one or 2 or 3, 4 utils sums from their letter.

they haven't a clue what they are doing 

they'll have to do better than that in their ws else the whole claim is going to fall apart for them

it really looks like from day one they were expecting mugs to panic and just pay this made up claim.

 

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My thoughts...

I have read through the documentation again one letter says she owed £504?? so not sure where that figure came from. ??

Anyway I can only assume the extra cash £214.23 has come from either Electric or Gas or Both.

I have worked out that all the final figures given i needed to divide by 12 months to give her a monthly repayment figure £75.03. She was paying £58.12.

 Noting this alleged debt is times four for four students so overall debt amount is an allegedly £856.92 Underpayment.

However

They have Only Provided proof of a the water Supply bill.

They have not provided official proof from Electricity or Gas and Broadband.

At the moment i am leaning towards they are upselling Gas and Electricity and maybe broadband.

I am a bit confused to be honest

 

 

 

 

 

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yep about what i spotted too.

i wonder if the others are being scammed too i cant see how 4 people can forget to pay £850.

something is very fishy here.

they cant charge a higher unit price on any util than what the landlord pays.

 

dx

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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have a look at a few util claimform threads

use our labelled enhanced google searchbox rob

dx

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I will be honest i have done a bit of digging and i am not 100% certain my Daughter wants to to go through with it after our discussions this evenings.

Its all a bit Fishy as you have mentioned but,

TruEnergy (still Active) is owned by the same guy who owns Huddle.

So my guess TE would buy the utilities and then sell it onto Huddle. So i suppose that's how they would get around the Upselling Perhaps if that's what's happening.

In the terms and conditions they have supplied the rates in which they charge Gas and Electric from the time of sign up so there meter reading do work out against their rate. However,

I have said we could build the defence around not supplying the detail as asked for on CPR of how they have come to debt in question, With regards to proof of who they purchase their utilities from and a what rates. Ofgem Regulations say all third party companies should provide this information if asked. 

It just feels like a can of Worms and my Daughter is worried about the CCJ which is understandable. Thoughts?

 

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well either way if you pay its almost the same sum as if you defend and lose.

so run them around rob. IMHO

see what @Andyorch thinks?

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 cal month typically to pay

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 15/09/2023 at 20:17, dx100uk said:

have a look at a few util claimform threads

use our labelled enhanced google searchbox rob

dx

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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what date is your filing? ...give us the claimform date from mcol please seems early for defence yet.

 

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not due for another week rob... till monday 25th by 4pm then

plenty of time for you to put something up the experts can advise on.

dx

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no.

5 days for service of the claimform pack, 14 days to do AOS then you get an extra 14 days to file a defence = total 33 days

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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HI

Is this kind of thing I need to put together? 

1.       1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below.

2.       After repeated requests for Proof of Debt Hoodle Utilities LTD failed to provide evidence of an alleged debt.

3.       Failed to provide evidence to Support their calculations Eg Bills from main supplier

 

Defence

 

Huddle utilities is claiming £xxx from Miss H for our services of providing their household bills with Electricity, Gas,TV Licence,Broadband and Water at Address for the date 00/07/2018 to 00/06/2019. Despite numerous attempts to contact the tenant and recover the debt, we have had no response. We Therefore claiming the amount to be paid in full.

 

1.       .The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below.

 

2.       Noted, Defendant had dealings with Huddle Utilities in supplying Utilities to student accommodation during said period.

 

3.       Defendant refutes that they have no response from the Defendant. They have contacted Huddle a numerous times requesting for proof of alleged Debt.

 

4.       Huddle utility Failed to provide evidence to Support their claim with calculations Eg Bills from main suppliers for Gas, Electric, broadband, TV Licence and Broadband.

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blimey you file that and they comply in their WS with the docs, you're gonna be stuck .

try something like this but adapt it as necessary.

1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.

2. It is admitted that I have had a supply agreement with XXX in the past. 

3. The claimant business is to simplify a landlords responsibility to provide and bill multiple utilities to a multiple occupancy rented accommodation. i'e students.

4. The defendant paid the claimants fixed sum monthly bill without fail for the extent of the rental period of the accommodation their contract was associated with,  ending on (date). 

5. Four Years Later, on (date), the claimant wrote to state that an outstanding sum of some +£2000 existed resulting from changed rates of the utilities they provided during the term of the agreement. Further stating, as one of the 4 tenants at the time, i now owed them either the full sum or my 1/4 proportion of said debt, as 4 students were at the dwelling. They also intimated that they were legally allowed to charge me the full sum if the other renters were not to pay their share under some equal and joint severity rule.

i have since discovered that some of my fellow renters have paid their demanded sums without question nor to what level and was confused about exactly what i owed actually owed the claimant and wrote asking for a breakdown of each bill.

6. Despite sending numerous requests prior to the court claim being raised for copies of said bills for said utilities covered by the agreement, the claimant failed to send anything other than a water bill, this included a CPR 31.14 on (date) by (method XXX)

the Claimant has failed to supply any individual bills for each service and has failed to abode by the back billing rules 

 

(all for now

i'll resume this at a later date)

further notes: 

4. Pursuant to OFGEM code of back billing rules the alleged charges are now over 12 months old and relate to charges which have not been billed correctly by Co-operative Energy and are therefore prevented from charging.

With the court’s permission the Claimant is put to strict proof to: -

a) show and disclose how the Defendant has entered into an agreement.

b) show and disclose how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed.

c) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim.

6. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5 (4) it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed.

7. It is therefore denied that the defendant is indebted to the claimant as alleged or at all.

 

and what about pre action protocol - did the send a letter of claim before issuing the court claim?

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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