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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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dx & BN are spot on.

 

However, you need to make sure your post is checked.  If further down the line you do get a Letter of Claim, if it's not answered you can be damn sure the fleecers will issue a county court claim form hoping to get judgement by default.

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A LOC will come with a 30 day notice, and a pack to fill in and return, which you ignore and send a snotty letter back, If you do get a letter of Claim come back to the thread.

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You will probably soon get a letter saying Final Demand. Do not for one minute think that will be the last you hear from them. Expect a procession of letters all headed "Final Demand". Their grasp of English [as well as the Laws relating to parking] are pretty poor. Just humour them -by totally ignoring them.  It does annoy them so you can get some pleasure from that.


Eventually they  will work out whether to either take matters further or ignore you. If the latter you could send them a post card after a few months asking why they have forsaken you.😆 Tell them it can hurt when in a pen pal relationship and one side stops writing. It is quite impolite.

 

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Thank you all So much and haha I may do the post card depending on how it all pans out. Quite an unnecessary hassle all this though. I am slightly concerned that in the interim they may have erected far clearer signage and plan to use this later saying “see, it is clear that you can’t park there…”

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So if the place is local to you go back and get photos of the signage.

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Another letter today - see attached. I think this is also like the previous ones and NOT a letter of claim, correct? Today by chance I was driving past and went to take photos - the area I parked in was not covered by signage that was elsewhere, and I took photos. There’s no way the cameras could have known where I parked after entering. Could have been any of the areas not covered by signage! (And it was)

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One thing I’m concerned about:

what if I move home next year and they decide to send a LOC in, say, 3 years

- will they track wherever my car is registered and send letters to the new address or will I likely not receive it?

What happens in the latter case?

Also what happens if I sell my car before a LOC?

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Debt Recovery Plus are an uninterested third party with no powers whatsoever.  Laugh at them & ignore them.

 

Well done on getting the photos.

 

To answer your question.  They would issue a county court claim form to the old address, you would know nothing about it, and after a fortnight you would lose the claim by default for not filing a defence.  Search "Backdoor CCJ" on the site and you will see that that has happened to a hell of a lot of people.  So conclusion - if you move send them a two-line letter with your new address and get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office. 

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Wonderful thank you! It’s truly shocking what these people with no powers are allowed to do, wording things in such a way as though they are the law of the land and no doubt terrifying most people into paying. Highwaymen!

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plenty of them here in threads.

look around and you'll SEE what they look like NOT have to GUESS.

 

predominantly CAG is self help. F18.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks - ok 👍

 

I’ve read the long thread and have the PAP reply form downloaded and ready to be filled once I get the LOC, which I assume is a given now in prob another months time or so.

 

At that point I’ll pop back to check I’ve done it correctly.

 

When it comes to stating the reason for my dispute, that would be lack of signage and the fact I went to Burger King to eat, I suppose?

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Don't rush at this. If and when a LoC turns up, come back here and tell us. Then we'll help you to write a snotty letter that is unlikely to tell Met what your arguments are. That normally comes much later in the process.

 

If you have the time, it's best to read a variety of threads or you'll be in danger of being caught out by Met.

 

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But you never read post 6 of the letter of claim thread.  

 

Dx

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Read the 6th post in the loc thread now - thanks, will come back here if I get a LOC for support on writing a snotty letter. Been three months since I last heard from them though…

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Well, the LOC arrived today from debt collection agency CST law. The top line message is "pay within the next 30 days or court action may commence".
Given it's a private "fine", might I ask for advice on what I should do next?

 

There is a part of me that is concerned they have "evidence" to genuinely back up their claim that their "client is satisfied that it has sufficient evidence to the support this claim"...

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it is not a fine never can be.

and that letter of claim always says that...they lie and puff their chest out...

 

as i'm sure you've been reading up here in this down period as its part of cag to self help.

you should be aware your next move is a snotty letter.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Oh yes so it is. My snotty letter is thus:

Thanks for your Letter Before Claim. There is absolutely no point in you pursuing this and I suspect you know that. Your client’s invoice is total farce and there are a million reasons why it will never stand up in court. Your client can either stop this foolishness or I will look forward to thrashing them in court, and obtaining an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g). Please stop wasting everybody’s time. COPIED TO MET Parking Services Ltd.

Sufficient? Or should I add all reasons why it's total farce, including photographic evidence of the location in question?

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No as is you do not let on any of what they have done wrong, doing so allows them to find a way to lie  or undermine any defence if they did go to court. Its sufficient that they know you know their case is pants.

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thats a bit short

 

wheres the rest of our typical one?

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well it is roughly the same as the one in the thread below post number 33, just without the Annex 1 FI Exempt Circumstances & Letter to SRA since they don't say anything about solicitors' costs in the LBF i received.

Dear Will & John,

 

Re: PCN no.XXXXX

 

cheers for your Letter Before Claim.  I rolled around on the floor in mirth at the idea you actually thought I'd take such tripe seriously and cough up!

 

Now you know and I know and now you know that I know the million reasons why your client's invoice is total pants.

 

Annex 1.  FI.  Exempt Circumstances.  Get off your backsides and do some due diligence for once and look it up.

 

On top of that your greedy client has invented £70 Unicorn Food Tax and you've been telling porkies about solicitors' costs again.  Letter to the SRA in the post!

 

Your client can either stop this foolishness or I will look forward to thrashing them in court, obtaining an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g) and spending it all on a nice foreign holiday while laughing at your client's expense. 

 

I look forward to your defeating silence.

 

COPIED TO PREMIER PARK LTD"

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