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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Looks good, not a lot to change in there.

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I was without Internet access for a lot of the time this weekend, but here goes. Fortunately your draft WS and the BPA's CoP are downloadable!

 

Your WS is magnificent – but if it can be improved even further, why not?

 

Above your current (10) write the title NO KEEPER LIABILITY.

 

I think before the DOUBLE RECOVERY section your should add a section FRUSTRATION OF CONTRACT. State that your case is that you did not enter into a contract with the Claimant, but if the court were to disagree you would state that any such contract was frustrated. Emphasise that it was the Claimant's equipment that didn't work, that family members witnessed this (add their short WSs as exhibits), that you bent over backwards to try to pay by calling their helpline, that not only were you not helped but you know the Claimant couldn't be bothered to keep a record of the call as there is not mention of it in the SAR you requested (add exhibit), that you “should” have received a second PCN which in itself shows that the software was knackered, and that you ask yourself whether the parking company are quite happy to have systems with “issues” which they refuse to sort out over the phone as this gives them an excuse to issue PCNs, and that such predatory tactics are forbidden by clause 9.5 of the BPA's CoP,

 

Yes, I know you have referred to a lot of this in your introduction but it's one of your aces and needs its own section IMO.

 

Between your current (8.3) and (9) you might as well put a new section ILLEGAL SIGNAGE and hammer home the point that lack of planning permission is a criminal offence and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.

 

I think you are dangerously close to outing the driver in (4.2) so I would change “I attempted a payment of £5 for the vehicle XXXXX, for which I am the registered keeper, using the online portal” to “I attempted a payment of £5 for the vehicle XXXXX, for which I am the registered keeper, on behalf of the driver and their party, using the online portal”.

 

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With FTMDaves tweaks added it should be good to go.

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Thanks to you all for your comments. I will be getting this all tweaked fully tomorrow.

 

Just a quick question to FTMDave, would it not be better to group together sections on the legality of entering someone into a contract, as the circumstances are not fair in airport DOZs as per the Consumer Rights Act 2015, then a bit about the signage and it's illegal status and then finally put the argument forward for Frustration of Contract? That would then be followed by the NO KEEPER LIABILITY section in to the final DOUBLE RECOVERY bit.

 

How does that sound? If you think that's a good idea. I'll get that sorted and tweeked tomorrow.

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The thing to remember is you're writing for the judge.

 

The judge will be "looking" for a reason to chuck the thing out, so the clearer the arguments are, the better.

 

I think putting all the bits about the legality of entering someone into a contract need to be split up - although of course one following the other - otherwise the judge will just get lost.

 

Sequence of Events

 

Locus Standi

Illegal Signage

No Keeper Liability

(All the reasons together why there was never any contract.  On "No Keeper Liability" you should win hands down)

 

Frustration of Contract

(But if the court disagrees, and says a contract was entered into, well it was frustrated.  To me it makes more sense to go in this order)

 

Double Recovery

(You won't win on this basis, so the least important section and therefore at the end, but the section still shows the fleecers for what they are and if by some horror you lost would get the extra £60 deducted)

 

Still, see what the others have to say today.

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Yep. I hear FTMD. Makes total sense.

 

I'm afraid, my section numbering went out of sync in the draft I posted up. So, the keeper liability section is currently starting from 12. Should I put this top of the Locus Standi with arguments around PoFA and fishing for liability, before moving into the issues with contract between Gatwick & NCP, then illegal signage and then the questionable legality of the contract between keeper & NCP and then finally the issues around the frustration of contract?

 

Currently, the first section of the Locus Standi (sections 6-9) deals with the contract between NCP & Gatwick and the lack of evidence of it, and then it currently goes on to deal with the contract they claim that I entered into (sections 10 & 11) and which I argue is not legal, as it's not a fair contract as per the Consumer Rights Act. I think these need breaking up with titles. How do you think I should title these two arguments? I would then add in a section on the illegal signage either after or in-between the arguments?

 

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It's all getting a little confusing (not helped by me replying between work commitments and watching bits of World Cup games 🤣). 

 

Can you please post up the current draft?  It doesn't matter if the numbering is wrong.  Then we can comment on what we have in front of us. 

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I've finally found the time to go through the fleecers' trade association's CoP.  You can use these paragraphs against them -

 

9.5 You must not use predatory or misleading tactics to lure
drivers into incurring parking charges. Such instances will
be viewed as a serious and sanctionable instance of non-
compliance and may go to the Professional Conduct Panel.

 

22.3 You must keep any ANPR equipment you use in your
car parks in good working order. You need to make sure
the data you are collecting is accurate, securely held and
cannot be tampered with. The processes that you use
to manage your ANPR system may be audited by our
compliance team or our agents.
 

https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/AOS_Code_of_Practice_January_2020_v8(2).pdf

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that C.O.P could well be useful going forward where there are payment issues.

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Hi Guys.

 

Thank you FTMDave for taking time to have a look at CoP in more detail.

 

I had found the sections you have quoted. However, I was concerned that they are only referring to APNR systems and not payment systems. Technically their APNR systems were working perfectly, it was their payment systems that failed to process payment. 

 

Do you think this will be a problem.

 

I am also sorry, its been my turn to be ridiculously busy,. I will continue to be so until 22nd December. I am on the road continuously with work. Once I have gotten to the end of this run. It's a priority for to polish up the WS and hopefully include your research above.

 

Thanks again for all this!!

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I doubt the court would be so pernickety as to distinguish between ANPR and other equipment that wasn't working properly.

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IMHO this is a very important issue and needs to be highlighted suitably to the judge.......

 

it's all very well an ANPR computer controlled camera system having a hick ups, as any PC controlled system does in time.

 

a faulty Payment system is a totally Diff kettle of fish as it involves a payment...CASH.

 

thus a monetary issue, - a county court issue.

 

an anpr failure leading to a loss to them never can result result in a court claim..

 

 

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This post is well off topic, but here goes.

 

In the seven years I've been on the site, as a matter of routine regulars point out to motorists that they could have a claim for distress as the PPC didn't respond to a SAR request or breached their GDPR.  Just as regularly no-one goes down this road, totally understandably, as everyone is just happy to have got rid of the invoice they were being harassed for, and wants an easy life.

 

Er, until you - troublemaker - comes along.

 

Since then someone else has seen your thread and sued like you over SAR, and been paid in full.

 

We have another motorist going for both SAR and GDPR.

 

And a third for for GDPR.

 

I obviously meant "troublemaker" as a compliment 😄  Your actions have led to other Caggers seeing your thread, and having the confidence to do the same.  Well done!

 

To get back on topic - any news from the court re a hearing date yet?

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FTMDave, this is great news to hear. And I do take 'troublemaker' as a compliment. So no worries there. It is a disgrace that these PPCs treat us like criminals and ignore their own legal obligations in the handling of our private details.

 

In regards to my court date, there has been no news. But I have been tweeking away slowly at my WS. I have also found a copy of a contract between Gatwick Airport and East Sussex County Council that appears to clearly state that all highways are under the jurisdiction of the local council! All will be shared with the updated WS.

 

 

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If that Contract is still in force, that blows thgem right out of the water, as they then only have jurisdiction over car parks.

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Hi brassnecked, The contract was renewed on 24th May 2022... See the current agreement linked below....

 

See section B of the RECITALS section (I have also linked the 1980 Highways Act for your cross reference as the agreement quotes this as defining the local council and county council's jurisdiction)

 

https://www.gatwickairport.com/globalassets/company/policies/section106.pdf

 

 

WWW.LEGISLATION.GOV.UK

An Act to consolidate the Highways Acts 1959 to 1971 and related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission.

 

Be good to hear your feedback. Maybe I have read it wrong? But I think it's pretty clear.

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Great work.  They really haven't got a leg to stand on.

 

This a public road, not a car park, so not relevant land under POFA, so no keeper liability.  End of story.

 

Even if by some horror the judge were to reject that argument, they sent their nonsense out too late for POFA so again no keeper liability.

 

Plus all the other reasons their case is pants.

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Exactly as FTMDave indicates public highway.

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Hey Moaning,

 

You've certainly had to go digging for that one!

I'm quite adept at finding hidden stuff on websites, but that is hidden quite deep...

Or was it a fortunate Google search?

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What are people's thoughts on Obligation 5.3 on pg17 of the document.

 

It basically states that Gatwick Airport have an obligation to discourage the use of private car travel to the airport. Could this be present as permission for them to implement Drop Zone charges?

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Nicky Boy... It was a bit of both. I was searching for the agreement between Gatwick Airport and NCP online and stumbled upon this while searching using the Gatwick Airport site search engine.

 

I was also searching through all local authority websites for any planning permissions for the signage etc. I discovered neither Crawley nor Sussex County Councils had any record of any planning at Gatwick airport. I found that I had been barking up the wrong trees, as I found out that in fact Reigate & Banstead Councils seem to handle all planning for Gatwick. 

 

Good news... No mention of Drop Off Zone planning permissions for signage.

 

 

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What are people's thoughts on Obligation 5.3 on pg17 of the document.

I would say that the actual wording makes it clear that strategies should be implemented to "promote" modes of transport other than the private car... Rather than "discourage the use of private cars" as you've read it?

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So... My Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims Track (Hearing) has just arrived in the post today (dated 2nd March! How long does it take them to post a document?)

 

Anyway... I guess we are game on soon. I will be definitely presenting to you guys a more complete WS this week.

 

Do any of you have any idea rough ball park timeframe now long until the hearing date?

 

The reason I ask, is that I am leaving for a 10day holiday on Fri 31st March. What happens if the hearing date falls when I am going to be away? 

 

Can you ask for the date to reallocated for this reason?

 

Do you need me to post up a scan of the document? Or are these fairly generic to all small claims cases?

 

 

 

 

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