Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[honeybee13]

So, TOR, in terms of events, what would it take for you personally to say that climate change is a problem?

[tobyjugg2]

3 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

The LSE? Always been a hotbed of socialism

 

 

Ad hominem evasive bluster @theoldrouge and very Conniff

 

So what is incorrect about any of the quite straight forward and clear (and easily checkable - inc badenough voting them through) statements in the letters from the London School of Economics (with supported links please)

 

[tobyjugg2]

 

From a prior post:

 

in 2016 Antarctic CO2 Hit 400 PPM world wide For First Time in 4 Million Years

 

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/antarctica-co2-400-ppm-million-years-20451

 

 

Look at it now despite lockdowns and  years of green promises

 

 

and yes, I know some people might just spout 'see we've been here before' (10x longer ago that homo sapiens have been on the planet_ without looking at the details which should frighten anyone

But it is part of understanding the problem and I'm not frightened of facts.

Edited July 20, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

In the meantime 'Big Bang 2' ends up as damp squib 2

 

Analysis: 'Big Bang 2.0' up in smoke as Britain's finance law reforms underwhelm industry

WWW.REUTERS.COM

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Britain's reform of post-Brexit financial services is more about catching up with rivals than unleashing a 'Big Bang 2.0' as it sidesteps calls to cut...

 

 

oh and everybody catch Johnsons parting shot ... and what he undoubtedly really meant?

[theoldrouge]

23 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Is that Napoleon Solo?

Yes he certainly is since the French elections 

[theoldrouge]

4 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

So, TOR, in terms of events, what would it take for you personally to say that climate change is a problem?

The climate has always changed 

Mother Nature will always counterbalance in the end

the media and the met office has gone full blown hysteria over a couple of days of heat

And regardless of any measures that the majority in this country cannot possibly afford , around the world we have not even reached peak coal yet

[honeybee13]

I can see where you're coming from. But in this article even the chief secretary to the Treasury says the current situation is a warning.

 

Heatwave led to London firefighters’ busiest day since second world war | UK weather | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Mayor Sadiq Khan warns ‘the grass is like hay’ as temperatures fall and UK travel disruption continues

 

[tobyjugg2]

12 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

The climate has always changed 

Mother Nature will always counterbalance in the end

 

'Natural' rate of Co2 and climate change when there aren't super volcanoes or humans interfering .. :

 

 

 

Around 50 year (or less) delay between CO2 increase and sea level rise - we are 17 years into an ongoing  'hockey stick' increase

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

the media and the met office has gone full blown hysteria over a couple of days of heat

 

So your stance is that all the thousands of scientific organsisations and weather/climate scientists are wrong, and you and kemi and a handful of others are right?

Few days!! - where you been during the increasing levels of floods and heatwaves around the world? HIA?

 

 

 

 

 

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-three-minute-story-years-climate-tail.html

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

18 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

I can see where you're coming from. But in this article even the chief secretary to the Treasury says the current situation is a warning.

 

Heatwave led to London firefighters’ busiest day since second world war | UK weather | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Mayor Sadiq Khan warns ‘the grass is like hay’ as temperatures fall and UK travel...

 

Of course we knew that Khan would be first on the bandwagon 

1976 far more prolonged dry weather and far more fires but we all carried on as normal 

Happening in France 20 years ago

When the hysteria dies down you will find that most are caused by arsonists and various other copycat nut jobs 

As for the tv reporting pathetic 

Breaking news “its 30 in Windsor” 

Followed by “it’s 31 at Heathrow “ etc etc

[theoldrouge]

6 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

'Natural' rate of Co2 and climate change when there aren't super volcanoes or humans interfering .. :

 

 

 

Around 50 year (or less) delay between CO2 increase and sea level rise - we are 17 years into an ongoing  'hockey stick' increase

 

 

 

 

 

 

So your stance is that all the thousands of scientific organsisations and weather/climate scientists are wrong, and you and kemi and a handful of others are right?

Few days!! - where you been during the increasing levels of floods and heatwaves around the world? HIA?

 

 

 

 

 

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-three-minute-story-years-climate-tail.html

 

 

 

The same scientists that when I was about to leave school predicted that we were hurtling towards the next ice age

 

 

Where have I been?until a couple of years ago, Living and working in Tenerife in much hotter conditions for days on end. (25 in the winter and the locals wear overcoats)

You just adjust and get on with it no drama no hysteria 

[tobyjugg2]

7 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

The same scientists that when I was about to leave school predicted that we were hurtling towards the next ice age

 

Back in the 60's - yep remember that

We should be - and that helps define the scale problem.

Already addressed this in the wild weather/climate thread

 

but here you go:

 

Graphic: Temperature vs Solar Activity

CLIMATE.NASA.GOV

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<p>Graphic: Global surface temperature changes versus the Sun's energy that Earth receives in watts (units of energy) per square meter since...

 

 

7 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

 

 

Where have I been?until a couple of years ago, Living and working in Tenerife in much hotter conditions for days on end. (25 in the winter and the locals wear overcoats)

You just adjust and get on with it no drama no hysteria 

 

Get on with what? an unlivable world?

I holiday in the canaries quite regularly, one of my handful of favourite places.

Notice the increase in wind there? (if your answer is no, you must have been permanently indoors)

Edited July 21, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Tortoise Media have uncovered details of the Lebedevs breaking EU sanctions in the Crimea.

 

https://twitter.com/pcaruanagalizia/status/1549722750058651652

 

[honeybee13]

Out of the mouths of babes... La Truss with children in Peterborough.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

16 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Back in the 60's - yep remember that

We should be - and that helps define the scale problem.

Already addressed this in the wild weather/climate thread

 

but here you go:

 

Graphic: Temperature vs Solar Activity

CLIMATE.NASA.GOV

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<p>Graphic: Global surface temperature changes versus the Sun's energy that Earth receives in watts (units of energy) per square meter since...

 

 

 

Get on with what? an unlivable world?

I holiday in the canaries quite regularly, one of my handful of favourite places.

Notice the increase in wind there? (if your answer is no, you must have been permanently indoors)

You obviously go to Fuerteventura (the clue is in the name) or you never leave the area around TFS Airport and a good few jet miles there I notice (“I holiday in the canaries QUITE REGULARLY”)

Anyway as soon as Kemi or even In Liz We Truss scrap the green levy and explain to people the true cost to them of net zero watch support rapidly dwindle

The schools will have to find another subject to indoctrinate the kids with

[theoldrouge]

4 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Out of the mouths of babes... La Truss with children in Peterborough.

 

 

Indoctrination runs deep in today’s schools 

[tobyjugg2]

20 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

You obviously go to Fuerteventura (the clue is in the name)

Nope, only ever been there once.

 

 

20 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

Anyway as soon as Kemi or even In Liz We Truss scrap the green levy and explain to people the true cost to them of net zero

 

Would that be:

 

*without it an unlivable planet and unskilled low-paid jobs before that

 

* with it and a move to hydrogen economy - a growing green and sustainable economy, leading the world,  with skillsets and examples exportable to the world.

- A true leader global Britain rather than the 'Little England' dell boy Brexiters tout

 

 

 

20 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

Indoctrination runs deep in today’s schools 

 

Which school was that you went to?

and where are those simply scientifically supported pictures I presented for you in ANY way incorrect?

 

 

20 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

The schools will have to find another subject to indoctrinate the kids with

 

Perhaps explain to me why Climate Science (clues in the name) deniers seem to think that the fact that all the scientific experiments and evidence (clues in the name) demonstrates that the deniers are wrong, yet the deniers claims that is ONLY because all the scientific evidence (clues in the name) is a world wide conspiracy (clues in the name) by everyone from NASA to local weather and school teachers .. and even the weather itself?

 

- Same sort of bonkers conspiracy illogic (clues in the name) basis for the:

* Nut jobs who shout 'we are ruled by shape shifting alien lizard who perform magic rituals where they sacrifice and eat humans

* Brexiters

* flat Earthers

* The universe was created in 4004BC and all evidence to the contrary was how God created it in 4004BCE creationists

* Humans rode dinosaurs 100 million years ago

* many anti-vaccers

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Anyway from the clickbait DE you have to laugh at this one

 

Boris urged to REVOKE resignation as shock poll shows 85% of readers still want him as PM | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

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BORIS JOHNSON should be reinstated as Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader, a new poll of Express.co.uk readers has found.

 

[honeybee13]

Are charter cities a good idea? This author doesn't think so. If some people get their way, the UK will be covered with charter cities and freeports.

 

Rishi Sunak's beloved 'charter cities' pose a huge threat to our democracy

WWW.THENATIONAL.SCOT

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IF, like me, you are not impressed by the hogwash being pushed by promoters of freeports, “green” or otherwise, then you ain’t seen nothing…

 

[tobyjugg2]

14 hours ago, brassnecked said:

Anyway from the clickbait DE you have to laugh at this one

 

Boris urged to REVOKE resignation as shock poll shows 85% of readers still want him as PM | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

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BORIS JOHNSON should be reinstated as Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader, a new poll of Express.co.uk readers has found.

 

 

85% of 1,4051 Br-Express readers ... Lets look at that a little closer.

 

So if less than 12,000, of just 14051 almost certainly carefully selected Br-Express readers said Johnson should try (harder) a trumpian coup?

Presumably all the other express readers ... didn't/wouldn't

 

So if the Bre-Exress has just 140,000 readers - only 10% of even those (apparently - according to the paper) utterly convinced Brexiters think Johnson should be in office.

 

If the Br-Express 'reach' is the near 3 million as  I see claimed, it seems all they could find is a grand total of only 0.5% of even Br-Express readers think Johnson should stay.

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Those Charter Cities are like a Paul Verhoeven dystopian film where the Corporations own everything and people are property. as in Robocop, not good at all, but look at the WERF concept of 20 minute or Smaert Cities to see a similarity between a Charter City and a Smart 20 Minute City.

[honeybee13]

I know.   What's WERF please, BN?

[brassnecked]

OOPs TYPO, WEF, the Davos set.

[honeybee13]

Thank you, I should have thought of that.

[tobyjugg2]

i thought he meant werf - farmyard

[honeybee13]

After negative comments over the weekend on France and passport checks, this blog talks about the legal aspects of how travel is affected under the Schengen code, etc. Steve Peers is a professor of European law.

 

EU Law Analysis: Giving Back Control: British travel to the EU after Brexit

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  Professor Steve Peers , University of Essex* *linked to research on the upcoming 5 th edition of EU Justice and Home Affairs Law Ph...