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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Please help, I have been ignoring the debt collectors letters for nearly a year now but now I have a letter before action (which I was under the impression from other sites would not happen) and to put it bluntly am slightly pooing myself! 

 

 

1 Date of the infringement - 26/11/2018

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] - It is a notice to owner, not keeper but is dated 24/12/2018

 

I have just noticed this - is this a non starter for them then?

 

3 Date received -   About 26/12/2018

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Not specifically [Smart Parking Ltd are able to request registered keeper details from DVLA, under the reasomable cirteria of recovery of private parking charges.  DVLA have confirmed that you are the registered keeper of this vehicle.]

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? - Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] - No

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up - N/A

 

7 Who is the parking company? - Smart Parking

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] - Gateway Shopping Centre, Trowbridge

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. - IAS

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

 

4/12/18 - Parking Charge Notice

24/12/18 - Notice to Owner stating Original Notice Date as being 3/12/18 not 4/12/18 as stated in PCN

8/1/19 - DRP Letter

13/2/19 - DRP Letter

7/3/19 - DRP Letter

29/3/19 - Zenith Collections Letter

16/4/19 - Zenith Collections Letter

30/4/19 - Gladstones Solicitors Letter with www.gslcollections.com listed as the website

3/9/19 - Gladstones Solicitors Letter with www.gladstonessolicitors.co.uk listed as the website

 

 

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If the dates you have quoted for the infringment and the receipt of the NTK are corrcet then there is no keeper liability and they ahve obtained the keeper's details from the DVLA fraudulently.

 

You could respond to Gladdy's saying simply no keeper liability has been shown and leave it at that but best wait for others (EricsBrother) to come along and advise you.

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smart parking never get anything right..was this an ANPR capture?

 

is this a letter before/of claim or a letter of action?

 

if the latter ignore

 

scan it up to PDF please

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dx

 

 

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to smart parking/Gladstone ANPR PCN - Gateway Shopping Centre, Trowbridge Letter before action received from Gladstones

time for an ericsbrother snotty letter reply then

lots in like threads here 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Examples you can use as a template and then adapt to your circumstances are -

 

Post 16 of  

 

Post 22 of 

 

As it's Gladstones, start with "Dear Will & John" in EB style.

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Opinons please......

 

Dear John

I’m sorry this relationship is simply not working out for me, you are clingy and relentless in your requests for my attention.  I simply have no time for your selfish games anymore and instead of ignoring your threats I am considering legal action against you.

 

Thank you for your letter before claim, which I found rather amusing.  In fact I have enjoyed each and every one of your fruitless attempts to make me pay the extortionate invoice you feel is justified!

 

I can confirm that I am indeed the registered keeper of the above vehicle, however I will also confirm that I was not the driver at the time of the photographic capture you have provided.

 

Since you have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA), I trust that there will be no more futile threatening letters and indeed text messages!! 

 

Should I received any more correspondence from yourselves I will be considering charges of harassment against you.

 

 

 

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Brilliant!  The bit about the "relationship" had me creasing up!

 

The only part I would disagree with is the last paragraph, as harassment is very difficult to prove.  if you want to make a financial threat how about saying that if their clients are daft enough to do court you will request full costs due to unreasonable behaviour under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14(2)(g).

 

Plus, send the letter to Smart (not) Parking too.  Unscrupulous solicitors love fleecing not only motorists but also their own clients by egging them on to do court even with useless cases, as they get paid win or lose,.

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You never use email

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Final draft - as long as my facts are ok & watertight!!

 

Dear John

I’m sorry this relationship is simply not working out for me; you are clingy and relentless in your requests for my attention.  I simply have no time for your selfish games anymore and instead of ignoring your threats I am actively breaking up with you.  To make it very clear and simple for you, I do not wish to hear from you again.

 

Thank you for your letter before claim, which I found rather amusing.  In fact I have enjoyed each and every one of your fruitless attempts to make me pay the extortionate invoice you feel is justified!

 

I can confirm that I am indeed the registered keeper of the above vehicle, however I will also confirm that I was NOT the driver at the time of the photographic capture you have provided.

 

Since you have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA), I trust that there will be no more futile threatening letters and indeed text messages!! 

 

Should your client be dim-witted enough to continue this to a Court of Law I will most certainly request full costs due to unreasonable behaviour under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14(2)(g).

 

Thank you for the last year, I’d like to say it’s been fun but it’s actually been quite tedious.  Have a nice life.

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Could include that as there was non compliance with POFA, you are minded to report them to ICO for breach of GDPR for having no reason to ask DVLA for your details. but probably OK as is might be worth holding the GDPR back for now.

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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  • dx100uk changed the title to smart parking/Gladstone ANPR PCN PAPLOC - Gateway Shopping Centre, Trowbridge

On your first post you said the "offence" happened on the 26th November but now you say the PCN was dated 4th December.

This might suggest that you has a windscreen ticket rather than an ANPR ticket.

 

Could you please confirm the date problem

. If the 4th and the 24th  December are correct then they failed the POFA regulations then they can only sue the driver, not the keeper.

 

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So, on my Notice to Owner (dated 24/12/2018) it states that original Notice date was 3/12/2018

 

The original PCN (dated 4/12/2018) shows photographs of my vehicle arriving & leaving so I assume ANPR

 

- also I know for a fact (unable to state here without incrimination ) that no ticket was placed on the vehicle at any time.

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please scan up the PCN with the photo's on it but remove any thing like reg no/pcn ref/address/name that can ID you.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I would say thats cctv capture not anpr

Or spycar cctv

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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