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Name of the Claimant : VCS

 

Claimants Solicitors: ELMS LEGAL

 

Date of issue – 4 NOV 2021

 

Date for AOS – 22 NOV 2021

 

Date to submit Defence – 6 DEC 2021

 

What is the claim for –

 

1. A breach of contract for breaching the terms and conditions set on private land.

 

2.Defendants vehicle was identified in Liverpool John Lennon Airport on 30/08/2019 in breach of the advertised terms and conditions; namely Stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited .

 

3.At all material times the defendant was the registered keeper and/or the driver.

 

4.The terms and conditions upon entering private lane were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent locations. The sign was the offer and the act of entering private land was the acceptance of the offer hereby entering into a contract by conduct.

 

5.The signs specifically detail the terms and conditions and the consequences of failure to comply, namely a parking charge notice will be issued, and the defendant has failed to settle the outstanding liability.

 

6.claimant seeks the recovery of the parking charge notice , contractual costs and interest.

 

What is the value of the claim?

 

Amount Claimed £160

court fees £35

legal rep fees £50

Total Amount  £245

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pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

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register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.


Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...


You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim


type your name ONLY


no need to sign anything

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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

………….
 

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Ok I'm unsure here......

 

defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

 

I clicked defend all and moved to page 4. See below.

 

Statement of Truth

I am the Defendant
I am a Litigation friend
 
I confirm I have read the Acknowledgment of Service guidancemandatory
 
Signed:
 
Do I complete these?
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ignore goto next page exit.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Won't let me I get this in red.............

 

The following errors have occurred:

  1. Selecting defendant type is mandatory.
  2. Please confirm the guidance information has been read.
  3. Signature is required.
 
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did you select the start AOS section not the defence section?

but if you didn't you are the defendant, as it says on the claimform!

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I clicked continue AOS not defense.

 

The first page is the Acknowledgment of Service - Guidance

 

No action required.

 

2nd page is Acknowledgment of Service - Personal Details.

 

Details given.

 

3rd page is Acknowledgment of Service - Intention.

 

I clicked intend to defend all of this claim.

 

4th page is Acknowledgment of Service - Summary & Statement of Truth.

 

This where I get in red ..............because I tried to leave blank.............

 

The following errors have occurred:

Selecting defendant type is mandatory.

Please confirm the guidance information has been read.

Signature is required.

 

 

 

So I should have clicked on Start Defence instead?

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No follow my sticky

you are the defendant

 

no one else has ever had this issue.

 

Dx

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On page 4 this is * madatory................

 

Statement of Truth

I am the Defendant
I am a Litigation friend
 

I confirm I have read the Acknowledgment of Service guidancemandatory

 
Signed:
 
Surely I have to click I am the defendant, tick the box and sign?????



 

 

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you are yes....

 

look at the claimform who's name is stated as the defendant.........😇

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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what does it say at the very top of our template i posted in red??

 

also you do mean you completed the online aos

 

Dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes AOS is complete with the MCOL website.

 

PLEASE NOTE - template letters from our library should not be reproduced on the open forums. If you would like to let people know the wording of your letters simply link to the Letter in question.

 

Ok so how do I link to a letter I've written, seeing as I have not published online & is only on my laptop in open office?

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you don't

you just send it as is.

 

other than entering yours and their details there is no other adaption necessary....

 

you not written it at all ...simply entered what is necessary to/from.

 

we know what it says...

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So why does it say this?

 

Template letters are not intended to simply be copied, pasted and sent. You should spend some time to ensure that the wording is appropriate for your needs and amend template letters accordingly

 

And

 

If you would like to let people know the wording of your letters simply link to the Letter in question.

 

This is confusing.

 

So I sent the template letter (hard copy) to ELMS LEGAL, exactly as shown but with the addresses, wording ect ammended to my needs via registered post ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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dont even need to use registered post waste of money ....really they won't reply.

simply get free proof of posting from any PO counter 1st class stamp will do.

 

i believe as with the 'dont reproduce on the open forum' all the red is standard wording on all our temples, some need things changing others don't im not our publisher...this one doesn't.

 

ok you got the 2 basic bits done

you now need to get reading up a few 10's of no stopping claimform threads here. what the process is as the claim progresses, what to do when you get to that stage. but id always advise, and we dont mind, check with us before you ever do anything going forward.

 

simple simon is a  slippery customer, and although we win 99% of no stopping claims, innocent slip-ups or mistakes will be exploited by him to the extreme so be careful.

 

dx

 

 

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 08/11/2021 at 20:17, dx100uk said:

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

.

register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.


Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...


You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

.

select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

.

then using the details required from the claimform

.

defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

.

get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim


type your name ONLY


no need to sign anything

.

you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

………….
 

you must always read things carefully....^^^^

 

god NO!!

you do not wait!!

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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File a defense?

 

Is this the "start defence" on the MCOL website?

 

Do I start to work through the 7 steps of this?

 

Which perticular claimform thread? I'm struggling to find one relevent to me.

 

Please don't be vague I know nothing about the law.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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Use our enhanced google search box

 

vcs no stopping

 

our generic 3-5 line defence is in most

 

you do not file it yet!!

 

post it up here for checking

 

it would help if yo u read the full threads too, they will teach you so much...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Came across this...............

 

I would split point 2 so you both keep prohibition but have a catch-all point about anything that stopped a contract being formed.  So

 

1.  The Defendant is the recorded OR registered keeper of *****

2.  The signage is prohibitive in nature and not a genuine offer of a contract for consideration. 

3.  In any case it is denied that the Claimant entered into a contract with the Defendant. 

4.  The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety.  It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all.

 

Should this form my defence?

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Looks OK but just wait for ther tram to give it a look, Less is More at this stage, too much now gives simon a lever to make things up.

 

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Line 3 claimant and defendant need swapping??

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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READ THE OTHER THREADS ALL WILL BE ANSWERED.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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