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    • What do you guys think the chances are for her?   She followed the law, they didnt, then they engage in deception, would the judge take kindly to being lied to by these clowns? If we have a case then we should proceed and not allow these blatant dishonest cheaters to succeed 
    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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Hi there, can someone please give me some advice,

 

I test drive cars as part of my job,

I recently did a test drive for Kia in Marlow and Henley-on-Thames in Buckinghamshire.

 

I am from the north so pick up my first car drive out of the Danesfield House Hotel car park turned left following the sat nav directions.

 

I went to put the radio on and knocked the sat nav off I carried on driving on the main road until I came to Henley on Thames and panicking not knowing where I was I tried to find somewhere to pull over to fix the sat nav.

 

I ended up going into a loop and remembered seeing somewhere which was safe to pull over so carried on the loop again and pulled over to fix the sat nav.

 

I must have been there for approximately 2 or 3 minutes sorted the sat nav out and drove off.

 

A week later Kia tell me I have been charged for parking.

I appealed to London Parking Solutions telling them I hadn't parked but I pulled over in the first safe place I could find and that I had only pulled over for minutes but they said I didn't have a permit so I had to pay £60

 

I haven't paid it now I have a letter from UCS saying I have to pay £160 other wise they are handing it over to the LPS solicitors any advice please

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where did you pull over? Can you link it on google maps or give a street address? It sounds like private land, and if so, it is pretty unlikely you have to pay a penny. All depends on where it was and the signage there

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I have had a look on google maps and seen the Town hall but I can't find a street name on their letter it just says Thames side of Henley on Thames

 

it was like a little place you boarded your boats and a bridge was just a little further on to the left of me and then it took me on a one way system little loop water to the left and shops to the right of me. sorry I'm not more helpful I will get my lad to have a look to see if he can find a street name

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have found it, its on Tameside

I have just seen Jeager

it was a shop I knew years ago and

it had on the door closed and relocated

it was in front of that next to the river,

I only pulled over to fix my sat nav and as I said I literally pulled over for about 2 /3 mins

 

it was the IPC they said because I never had a permit I had to pay,

but I did explain to them I hadn't parked only pulled over and yes they have photographic evidence

 

I even told them I had pulled over because it was the first safe place to pull over

I didn't know the area

I have four cars to review and I will have details from Kia of what time I picked the car up and what time I had it back to the hotel

 

it was about 30 mins but they just were not interested

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why would they be interested? Its a very shady appeals company. If they allowed a valid appeal they wouldnt make any money. The IPC is full of the PPC's that dont want to even try and follow the law.

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Still nothing to worry about. There's a whole procedure they have to follow. Get that info and we can go from there. Their claim.is dead in the water anyway.

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You really need to do some reading up of some threads on here and then you'll get a bit of an understanding of how this whole game works.

 

Mitigating factors will get you nowhere and will only highlight that you don't know what you're doing with this, so they're more likely to attempt more scare tactics with you.

 

Read up a bit and also take the advice given from others on your post here, and you'll soon grasp what's going on

- but you also need to provide the information requested by DX above.

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Solicitors, are NOT anything to be scared of at all, they simply have office space full of books which they then turn to when they need to read up on laws, there is nothing they do that you or I can't.

 

The fact that they have also increased the amount they say you owe, tells you exactly what you need to know, di you sign a credit agreement with them? NO, so they cannot increase anything.

 

You owe nothing, , they're just hoping you won't learn your rights and will buckle and be fleeced blind.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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understand something, they are dishonest and therfore will tell lies to you. There is a thing called a grace period which has to be long enough for you to park up, read the siganeg and decide whetehr you want to be bound by the contract offered on the sign and then find some change to feed the meter if there is one. the minimum allowed for this is 10 minutes.

 

if they are claiming that you have breached a "no parking" order then that isnt an offer of terms to park, it is a prohibition and you cant agree to break a contract as the only way of creating one. so you ave done nothing wrong to warrant their attention.

 

the good news is they are bothering you and we can help you knock this on the haed better dealing with an individaul than we can if it was say a car lease co

 

tell us the content of the last letter you got and whether it was addressed to you personally or passed on by employer/garage

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