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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I've been reading through the forums for a while but just am getting a bit nervy now!

 

Im at the stage where after submitting the defence, ive got the Defence questionnaire re the small claims track.

 

Hoist still haven't responded to my requests for info, and ive not had anything back from Cohens either and the requests were sent at the end of April.

 

Before it got to this stage, Id spoken to the litigation department twice requesting correspondence - in the second call, the Hoist person said that they wouldn't be sending me any requested info...

 

Am i correct in thinking that i now tick the mediation box and take it from there?

 

I then explain about the requested information not being provided - assuming it still hasn't by then?

 

Sorry if this has been said loads before, but i just need to know for my own peace of mind!

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Pleaseo tell us more about the debt as has been asked above.

 

In terms of mediation, you should read around this forum and see what we have to say about mediation.

 

Mediation is generally unsuited to these debt matters and even the mediation service says so on their webpage

 

Solicitors and other organisations when dealing with litigants in person are generally not qualified to enter into any mediation process and the approach seems to be that it is an opportunity to get the litigant in person to give up some of their rights. This is not at all the purpose of mediation.

 

I'm very interested to hear that hoist are apparently refusing to give you any further information. In addition to the case in detail requested above, please can you tell us what you have asked for and what it is they are refusing to give you.

 

I'm also concerned that you are dealing with them on the telephone but I'm quite sure that you are not recording any calls so you have nothing set down in evidence to show any lack of cooperation or reasonable behaviour to you. You should read our customer services guide and implement the advice there.

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Hi BankFodder, I'm not dealing with them by telephone. That was before I'd got all the court stuff through.

I am at work at the moment so will update further later.

Many thanks

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if the claimform was in april

have you checked with the court that they've paid the fee to unstay the claim?

as I expect it got well stayed if they didn't respond within 28days of your defence filing date?

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if the claimform was in april

have you checked with the court that they've paid the fee to unstay the claim?

as I expect it got well stayed if they didn't respond within 28days of your defence filing date?

 

They must have if the court has sent the N180 ?

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Maybe I'm just being fanciful, but I'm playing around with an idea that if a claimant acts unreasonably and for instance fails to respond to a CPR 31 request, whether they aren't then treating the defendant unfairly which might give a basis for a counterclaim based on COBS.

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The claimant is not compelled to comply to a CPR request as its only a civil request.....disclosure of documents will only happen after a defence has been submitted and only at the appropriate stage...after allocation of the claim.

 

As for a CCA section...they will remain in default and unable to enforce the agreement until such time they can comply

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Oh well… I'll just keep on dreaming.

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Oh well… I'll just keep on dreaming.

 

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Name of the Claimant - HOIST

 

Date of issue – 20 APRIL 17

 

What is the claim for –

 

1.this is for the sum of £8004 in respect of monies owing under an agreement with the account no.....pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974(cca)

the debt was legally assigned by mkdp llp (ex barclaycard) to the claimant and notice has been served.

2.the defendant has failed to make contractual payments under the terms of the agreement. a default notice has been served upon the defendant pursuant to s.87(1)cca.

What is the value of the claim? £8514.85

 

Is the claim for - CREDIT CARD

 

When did you enter into the original agreement before or after 2007? WAY BEFORE!

 

Has the claim been issued by the original creditor

or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DEBT PURCHASER

Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? NO

 

Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? MAY HAVE DONE MANY YEARS AGO

Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Default sums” – at least once a year ? NO

 

Why did you cease payments? HUSBANDS BUSINESS FAILED - COULDNT AFFORD AS OTHER DEBTS TOO

 

What was the date of your last payment? NOT SURE I NEED TO CHECK

 

Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? NO

 

Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor

and make any attempt to enter into a debt management planicon? DEBT ADVICE SERVICE CONTACTED BARCLAYCARD IN APPROX 2013 -

 

my husband contacted robinson way litigation dept on 26 april,

who told him that no copy correspondence would be sent to me even though i was requesting it.

 

submitted n9 acknowledgment of service - 27th april 17

 

cpr 31.14 to cohens sent 27 april 17 - nothing received as at todays date

 

cca request sent to hoist along with postal order 27 april 17 - nothing received as at todays date

 

received a letter from robinson way 8th may stating

"we write to confirm that we have noted the dispute/query you have raised.

we will make the necessary enquiries and let you know the outcome in due course.

in the meantime we will stop all collection activity on this account"

 

defence was filed 17 may 17, using the standard defence off here.

 

acknowledgement of defence was received dated 17 may 17.

 

ni49a - notice of proposed allocation to the small claims track dated 20 june

- have to reply by 7th july.

states now a defended claim etc.

 

so, back to my original question,

what do i do now!

do i say i want the case referring to the small claims mediation service?

 

(Just realised all in caps sorry! long day and doing this at gone midnight!)

 

Many thanks

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N180...

 

you say yes to mediation unless you filed an SB defence

then theres nowt to mediate over.

1 wit you

the rest is onv

 

copy to court

copy to claimant sols

you can omit sig/phone/email

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there is no legal requirement to give the solicitors you sig/phonee or email details

simply gives them an easy route to pester you .

the court copy should be unredacted mind.

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Do i fill the other sections in too? ie C and D?

 

You complete all of it

 

https://www.moneyclaimsuk.co.uk/PDFForms/N180.pdf

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I've got my mediation call tomorrow and worried as to what I say! Do I go on the lines of "how can I agree to pay anything when I don't have the details of what it is? (I've never received any of the paperwork requested from hoist or cohens) Sleepless night tonight for me!

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Then simply state you have received nothing from the claimant.......mediation will end..you get a good night sleep :-)

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My mediation call was 10am.

 

Really nice guy phoned me, then phoned Cohens.

 

When he phoned back, he said they have sent you all the relevant paperwork over by email in the last 30 mins....

(email must have been on file from a long time ago).

 

They sent the info at 9am - i requested it 27 April.

 

The mediator told me he'd call me back in the morning when I'd had chance to look at the email.

 

They have sent me a blank agreement - nothing on it at all.

No name, dates etc.

 

They also sent a copy of assignment from Barclaycard to mkdr and another to Hoist.

 

Do I have a leg to stand on?

 

The agreement was taken out in 1995 apparently if that's of any relevance?

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My understanding is that they would need the original agreement to be able to enforce this as its pre 2007 - Can you post minus personal details what they have sent you?

 

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no dice on a blank application form I bet

will need to be a copy of the signed agreement

all the relevant T&C's

and the default notice from the OC.

 

 

I bet this is a copy of the blank 620000 crap they all turf out from their filing cabinets

its even on here in many Barclaycard claimform threads

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That is not your agreement. It has to have your details on it to be valid in regard to the current claim.

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utter bogroll

 

 

you tell mediation you have not received all the required paperwork to enable you to proceed with mediation

but not THE SPECIFICS.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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