Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • The Contract itself The airport is actually owned by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan. There should be an authority from them for Bristol airport group  to sign on their behalf. Without it the contract is invalid. The contract has so many  clauses redacted that it is questionable as to its fairness with regard to the Defendants ability to receive a fair trial. In the case of WH Holding Ltd, West Ham United Football Club Ltd -v- E20 Stadium LLP [2018],  In reaching its decision, the Court gave a clear warning to parties involved in litigation: ‘given the difficulties and suspicions to which extensive redaction inevitably gives rise, parties who decide to adopt such an appropriate in disclosure must take enhanced care to ensure that such redactions are accurately made, and must be prepared to suffer costs consequences if they are not’. The contract is also invalid as the signatories are required to have their signatures co-signed by independent witnesses. There is obviously a question of the date of the signatures not being signed until 16 days after the start of the contract. There is a question too about the photographs. They are supposed to be contemporaneous not taken several months before when the signage may have been different or have moved or damaged since then. The Defendant respectfully asks the Court therefore to treat the contract as invalid or void. With no contract there can be no breach. Indeed even were the contract regarded as valid there would be no breach It is hard to understand why this case was brought to Court as there appears to be no reasonable cause to apply to the DVLA.............
    • Danny - point taken about the blue paragraphs.  Including them doesn't harm your case in any way.  It makes no odds.  It's just that over the years we've had judges often remarking on how concise & clear Caggers' WSs have been compared to the Encyclopaedia Britannica-length rubbish that the PPCs send, so I always have a slight preference to cut out anything necessary. Don't send off the WS straight away .. you have plenty of time ... and let's just say that LFI is the Contract King so give him a couple of days to look through it with a fine-tooth comb.
    • Do you have broadband at home? A permanent move to e.g. Sky Glass may not fit with your desire to keep your digibox,, but can you move the items you most want off the digibox? If so, Sky Glass might suit you. You might ask Sky to loan you a “puck” and provide access as an interim measure. another option might be using Sky Go, at least short term, to give you access to some of the Sky programming while awaiting the dish being sorted.
    • £85PCM to sky, what!! why are you paying so much, what did you watch on sky thats not on freeview?  
    • Between yourself and Dave you have produced a very good WS. However if you were to do a harder hitting WS it may be that VCS would be more likely to cancel prior to a hearing. The Contract . VCS [Jake Burgess?] are trying to conflate parking in a car park to driving along a road in order to defend the indefensible. It is well known that "NO Stopping " cannot form a contract as it is prohibitory. VCS know that well as they lose time and again in Court when claiming it is contractual. By mixing up parking with driving they hope to deflect from the fact trying to claim that No Stopping is contractual is tantamount to perjury. No wonder mr Burgess doesn't want to appear in Court. Conflation also disguises the fact that while parking in a car park for a period of time can be interpreted as the acceptance of the contract that is not the case while driving down a road. The Defendant was going to the airport so it is ludicrous to suggest that driving by a No Stopping  sign is tacitly accepting  the  contract -especially as no contract is even being offered. And even if a motorist did not wish to be bound by the so called contract what could they do? Forfeit their flight and still have to stop their car to turn around? Put like that the whole scenario posed by Mr Burgess that the Defendant accepted the contract by driving past the sign is absolutely absurd and indefensible. I certainly would not want to appear in Court defending that statement either. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will do the contract itself later.
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

UKCPS/? PCN nov 2015 Claimform - Driver-passengers observed leaving site - WEST QUAY RETAIL HULL


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 2801 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

hehe don't give in

when is the hearing and when does your WS need to be with the court?

yes we'll help

[not that i'm any authority on parking matters nor legal matters but we'll get there]

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 104
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

I pers would not be delivering it till you get back

not a good idea to blink first...

its your local court to you..so only down the road you could deliver it when you come back??

 

if they file theirs whilst you are away and stuff need addressing

or

even after they get yours if you file now

then it could disadvantage you as they know the cards you are playing.

 

yes there prob one that can be filed now

and EB and the crew can advise on that.

 

 

just giving you a few tips

it would not hurt to file a day or two 'late'

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

don't worry about the claimant you send that 2nd class mail

and an unsigned copy.

 

its the court thats important.

 

yes the court would have fwded a copy of your defence to them when you filed it.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

IMHO if you file 2 weeks early

you are giving the claimant unfair advantage

and if they come up with everything they need too

[like signed contract with the landowner giving them permission to issue a claim in their own name]

[planning permission for the signs etc]

 

it could blow anything you file 2 weeks early out the water totally.

 

not sure what eric reckons..

..but i'd be ringing the court tomorrow and seeking leave to file on XX date

for the above reasons

[which would only be a day or two 'late'

and there are several threads here [legal section]

whereby claimants have filed 2 days before a deadline and been allowed to get away with it,

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

It's not 2 weeks before the deadline. My deadline is 3.10.16

They should received the paperwork no less than 14 days before hearing, right?

If I post on 27.09 second class will be 3-4 days in advance if you count the weekend.

Link to post
Share on other sites

yea I suppose I was reading that wrong when you said going away for 2 weeks

though you'd be filing 2 weeks early.

 

 

not sure if there are any PPC witness statement examples here

what about the pranksters site?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hoped you will come with some info about the WS. I will keep googling then.

What i need to include in that bundle:

WS, full defence and supportive evidence.

Is trancrips from other cases included or Law like POFA 2012 or IPC code ?

I have a few pictures to include.

What else?

Any info is much appreciated.

Link to post
Share on other sites

its not a court bundle...

 

 

you don't include your defence you've already filed that

 

 

IMHO you sent a CPR 31:14

you include and refer to that

in sofar as the claimant has not supplied any of the required documents you requested.

 

 

proof of contract

proof of planning permission

etc etc

 

 

keep it short and simple

again IMHO

you don't need to include any pictures or enter into any speculation about if/if not the signs comply to this or that

you don't even know if legally they are allowed to be put up.

 

 

did you not mention that you had proof they had no planning permission?

if you did end of problem

the claimants signs do not have the relevant planning permission under XYZ rules

so whatever was on them is totally irrelevant....

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I need to send WS which says what happened on that day

and then what correspondence we send/received.

 

I spoke over the phone with council and I got that they do not have the permission.

I asked for a letter but I don't have it yet.

Do I include this info?

 

when I got to hearing do I need any supportive documents or proofs?

 

I am reading controversial information all the time thats why I am still asking questions.

Link to post
Share on other sites

yes but you don't go into chapter and verse.

that defence you filed was way way way over the top.

and sadly mentions stuff that ideally you should never have broached yet

 

ideally the defence should have simply mentioned they had failed to date to comply with your CPR request.

in providing the information to prove they even have the legal right to issue a court claim in their own name.

and had failed to provide proof they can issue a parking ticket

 

that council letter would kill them dead if you had it.!

 

anything you mention like letters in/out should be copied and ref'd as a numbered exhibit and included with the WS.

 

harking back to the POC

I think you need to relate to how can you be issued with parking ticket because you left a carpark on foot!

 

so they have a contract with someone 'a' retailer that states thus.....

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

dont forget to mention the case precedent which is Ibbotson V VCS.

 

 

Your case is even dafter as they state it was the passenger seen leaving site,

since when was that ever a consideration in contract law,

that a hitch-hiker is under your control and you become liable for their actions?

 

UKCPS know that this is silly but most people just pay up for a quiet life and that is what they were gambling on.

 

When it comes to the hearing you need to deny the driver was observed at all and put them to strict proof that they were observed doing anything.

They cant and wont

Link to post
Share on other sites

I am still not sure about this:

If I am not sending full defence and my WS is simple and short and now involving speculation, how I am gonna incorporate other relevant cases and other proofs like signage at the entrance and in the car park?

Thank you

Link to post
Share on other sites

EB has far more knowledge upon this than me.

but you don't need to include your defence

they already have that.

 

 

if you wish to ref photos etc do so

but if what you are saying is true

that they don't even have planning permission..i question the need to even do that..]

 

 

dx

 

 

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Your WS should state who you are, and that you are the defendant in this matter.

 

You then say that your vehicle received a ticket on it on the (date) at (place) for the supposed breach of conditions offered as a unilateral contract by UKPCS by way of their signage at the site.

 

 

You deny that any contract was formed with you in the capacity as keeper because :

 

1.UKPCS do not have the authority to enter into contracts with anyone because they do not have planning permission for their signage at this site under the Town and Country Planing Act 2007

( look up the act references to avoid confusion with other parts of the act)

and are thus committing a criminal offence by having their signs there.

 

 

You cannot enter into a criminal contract so no offer and consideration.

 

2. the alleged breach was that someone was observed leaving the site.

It is stated that this person could have been either a passenger or the driver,

 

 

it is denied that you were either of these and that in any case the passenger cannot be subject to any contractual consideration in this case and that Ibbotson v VCS (date, court etc) overrides any term that implies that the driver is bound to stay on site for the duration of parking so there has been no breach of contract by possibly leaving the site.

 

3. that UKPCS have failed to show locus standi by then failing to comply with a CPR 31.14 request for sight of their contract with the landowner that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public and to make claims in their own name. It is therefoe denied

 

will complete later-have to go out

Edited by honeybee13
Paras.
Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you EB

I have been waiting for that.

Unfortunately I have posted mine this morning which is not that good.

I am boarding now.

I will update when I come back to say what paperwork I have received.

Thanks again.

Link to post
Share on other sites

you'll be ok

 

 

have a nice holiday and forget about the fleecers for the time being.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

as long as the main points are covered you will be OK.

 

 

You will ahve the opportunity to talk about everything and as long as you have provided copies of the judgements you refer to like Ibbotson ( available online in several places) you will be fine.

 

 

Judges hate people quoting cases and then not giving the details-they cant look everything up!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello EB

I sent my full defence where I referred to 2 cases - Obbotson and Gaskell.

 

 

I printed out those cases and sent them with 3 pictures (signage at the entrance and the main one) which I also refered in the defence.

 

 

I was not sure how to incorporated them in my WS which was series of events.

Both could be written well better from someone with more experience but..

 

Whatever happens on the hearing I don't care any more.

Just want to be over.

 

 

I just had enough stress and time lost in reading forums (which are very helpful though)what to do and how to defend myself.

 

If I get such a parking ticket in the future I would never leave it to go to court again.

 

I will update you soon.

Link to post
Share on other sites

you will be ordered to exchange documents about a fortnight before the hearing and you can add detail to your bundle and quote any number of other parking cases that are relevant.

 

The Parking Pranksters blog has a list of important ones and they will cover most things you would want to raiase from authority to signage, planning prohibition rather than contractual term etc.

 

When you quote Ibbotson you should make a copy of the judgement and supply it with your bundle,

most other matters can be just the case number, court, date and decision- ie Parkingco v Dr M, Winchester CC, case No xxyy123456 15th Aug 1999-

decided that contract between parking co and estate agent is a third party agreemnt and not an assignment of authority from landowner.

 

In your case the idea that an uninterested third party's (passenger's) actions can cause a tortuous interference of contract between the parties named in the action are nonsense and no loss could be shown by UKPCS for the passenger's action so they wont win a claim for economic tort.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello.

I am back

 

I have received the pack from the UKCPS.

 

The witness statement is signed by debt recovery manager, if that is allowed.

They have brief description of the people and said left side via xxx site, no pictures.

 

They've presented an agreement contract instruction which says:

type- full enforcement services.

 

It is said in the WS that UKCPS have full authority from the MANAGING AGENTS (not the landowner ) to issue charges on the land.

I can not say how legitimate is.

 

There are also a lot of pictures on the site.

 

I am still waiting a letter from the council regarding planning permission.

 

I will be in their office tomorrow as probably there are not very keen to write such a letter.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...