Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • If I have learnt one thing from this forum, it's not to call and communicate via email. I passed this info on to her and they are pushing for her to call them.    "Unfortunately, you will need to call us. The conversation won’t be so black and white as to therefore type over email. In a nutshell we can confirm that the request to not pay for 3 months we cannot put in place"  I emailed them back on her behalf and said that what ever is discussed over the phone will need to be put in an email so that she can review it properly. No decisions will be made on that phone call.    "Once we speak to you on the phone we will follow up with an email to confirm the options discussed. [Phone number]"   Why are they pushing for a phone call? If its not so black and white, why can they then follow up with an email?  
    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
    • Read these 6 things you can do to be empathetic to other people’s views and perspectives.View the full article
    • Peter Levy says he received a call from someone pretending to be from his bank in February.View the full article
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

AUTOSAVE Blackpool used car court action taken.


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 3424 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Hi new to forum

 

to cut a long story short

 

we purchased a used car PX our own car for it plus cash.

 

Four days after collection of car it broke down

 

they collected car and gave us a replacement vehicle.

 

Kept the car for two weeks returned it

guess what

within four days had broken down again same problem ecu fault which a back street garage had no chance of sorting out.

 

After the car had broke down the first time we had sent the basic rejection letter but

 

AUTOSAVE Blackpool refused refund saying we had to give them a chance to fix car.

 

We duelly gave them a second chance but did not agree with it as i new they wouldn't be able to fix it as it was a main dealer job

low and behold it broke down for second time.

 

We had to have the car recovered to their garage as they promised to recover it

but then wouldn't answer our call turned there phone line onto answer machine.

 

Where we our at now,

court action taken small claims no response from them to the court action have instructed court to use bailiff to recover dept.

 

I am just wondering why they our acting like this

 

ignoring us yes but ignoring the court

 

do they think they will get away with this

 

i'm in the motor trade my self be it the motorcycle trade

 

in my eight years of selling motorcycles

 

iv had one vehicle returned i gave refund to guy there and then

 

why do some used car dealer think they our above the law.:frusty:

 

Any advice please as my girl friend is worried over the outcome these guys don't seem to mind collecting enemies.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 67
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

I suppose that the debt is greater than £600 so for a situation like this, you would be better off instructing high court enforcement. Look around on the internet and find a service which won't charge you any fees - but instead will take the money from the defendant.

 

Make sure that it is clear that it is a fee-free service - even in the event that the execution of the warrant fails.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanx for advice

 

the dept was £3700 but with court action and other fees its now £4250

 

will try and leave a comment on there facebook page

 

they really don't seem bothered we have instructed the court to collect the dept

 

is there anyway Autosave can stop them collecting it from there car pitch office they don't have a showroom.

 

I thought that when they ignored the first action of the court ie a county court judgment

 

the rest was straight forward by ignoring the court you our in a sense guilty i may be wrong.:noidea:

Link to post
Share on other sites

Unfortunately just because you have a Judgment against them is no guarantee you get paid. For the sum of money concerned then transfer to the High Court for enforcement is the way to go. There Officers have more clout than the County Court Bailiff. Transfer Up fee is £60, the only other fees you will be liable for is if they cannot enforce it - again think it is £60 - but any self respecting firm should tell you this.

Please consider making a small donation to help keep this site running

 

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

We has just paid £100 for a request for a warrant of control from the county court office think Blackpool court our going to enforce it within the next two weeks why do they let you pay the higher amount with from what i'm hearing they have no clout to enforce it and collect dept.

 

Is the case if i new that i could transfer for £60 to the high court of which i was not aware this is getting more complicated so basically the county court won't be able to collect dept with there bailiff seems crazy why do they encourage you to take the next step with them when they can't collect.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Any more advice would be welcome iv but feedback on there facebook page had a so called loyal customer of theirs saying he has bought 5 cars from them with no problem i have replied to him asking if he is related to owners he has not replied bear in mind these guys our old men not the mitchel brothers i will say again they don't seem to mind collecting enemies if they think they can just keep the car we px a 55 plate renault grand scenic plus £2200 cash they must be on drugs i don't want anyone else to have to go through what they have put us through.

Link to post
Share on other sites

We have tried to follow the law to a te have first contacted trading standards who gave us a case number then contacted the bank as deposit was paid by debit card bank refused to help Santander trading standards not much use keep asking is it fair ware and tear on car.

 

Have filed the a county court judgment no response from standard letter to Autosave rejecting car as iv said they stopped answering there land line really low down business by the way it was my girls car she was phoning them not me i only phoned them when they turned answer machine on all the time to tell them we would have the car recovered and taken to there forecourt.

 

They have not responded to county court so we have paid to have a bailiff from the court to collect whats owed,we have just instructed the bailiff the court said it will act within the next 2 weeks that's were we our at if id have known that the county court bailiff didn't have full power to collect dept i wouldn't have bothered and would have transfered to high court as iv been advised why do the county courts advertise this bailiff service knowing that they can't collect.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

Just to update bailiff called on Autosave Blackpool last thursday to collect dept guess what they told bailiff they don't owe any money and will contest the court action.This by the way is the same guy who didn't respond to the court letters of the impending action suddenly he decides to sit up when the bailiffs arrive.My girlfriend has rang the court to find this information out as they our very slow at updating you over your case.The lady in the court has now said a judge will look at the case and maybe get the dealer and us to attend court.The bailiff has told Autosave that he will return depending on the judges findings.

 

I owed income tax about 12 years ago about £1800 i can tell you the way the taxman deals with you is much more ruthless than the way the county court seems to handle things.I a slowly loosing my patients with the two partners in crime at Autosave Blackpool but at the moment my hands our tied by my girlfriend i'l bide my time but i will get some sort of justice or satisfaction.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just to update bailiff called on Autosave Blackpool last thursday to collect dept guess what they told bailiff they don't owe any money and will contest the court action.This by the way is the same guy who didn't respond to the court letters of the impending action suddenly he decides to sit up when the bailiffs arrive.My girlfriend has rang the court to find this information out as they our very slow at updating you over your case.The lady in the court has now said a judge will look at the case and maybe get the dealer and us to attend court.The bailiff has told Autosave that he will return depending on the judges findings.

 

I owed income tax about 12 years ago about £1800 i can tell you the way the taxman deals with you is much more ruthless than the way the county court seems to handle things.I a slowly loosing my patients with the two partners in crime at Autosave Blackpool but at the moment my hands our tied by my girlfriend i'l bide my time but i will get some sort of justice or satisfaction.

 

Why ask for advice & then not take it?

 

You were advised to instruct HCEO's.

 

If you have a valid CCJ over the company and a writ of fi fa to pass it up to the High Court and HCEO's : you wouldn't be faffing around with County Court Bailiffs, (who they can dodge more easily than HCEO's)

 

Ask yourself : if you had used HCEO's, and the firm had had company stock on their forecourt : do you think they'd have left without making a levy?

Link to post
Share on other sites

The advice when given late on was too too late we had already instructed the county court bailiff they have 60 odd cars on the forecourt i think one of the owners is an ex jail bird so that's why he don't seem to take any notice of court action. We will have to wait for the court decision before we start to instruct HCEO's would seem they want to get us together in court to unfold the story guess the two owners will act like lying school boys and the judge will see right throught them by the way they have sold the car we px and the car we bought which we returned to them is uninsured so they must still have it had major ecu fault being a chrysler would have cost the earth to have fixed the car was a lemon and they new that when they sold it to us.

 

Will update forum with any new progress can't believe this sort of arther daley goings on still happens thought it stopped 25 years ago the law seems to be an ass over used car sales.

Link to post
Share on other sites

A friend i no has suggested i find out were the owner lives send him a letter to his home saying can we discuss the matter over tea and biscuits the outcome was favourable as he got a cheque off car dealer by return post a solicitors saying not to contact him again any thoughts on this.

Link to post
Share on other sites

A friend i no has suggested i find out were the owner lives send him a letter to his home saying can we discuss the matter over tea and biscuits the outcome was favourable as he got a cheque off car dealer by return post a solicitors saying not to contact him again any thoughts on this.

 

Definitely not a good idea in my view.

Please consider making a small donation to help keep this site running

 

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

A friend i no has suggested i find out were the owner lives send him a letter to his home saying can we discuss the matter over tea and biscuits the outcome was favourable as he got a cheque off car dealer by return post a solicitors saying not to contact him again any thoughts on this.

 

You have a CCJ? : why prejudice your position by potentially unlawful action?

You aren't willing to escalate it to HCEO's from the county court, but you are considering actions that might be viewed as demanding money with menaces ? What planet are you on??

 

The advice when given late on was too too late we had already instructed the county court bailiff they have 60 odd cars on the forecourt i think one of the owners is an ex jail bird so that's why he don't seem to take any notice of court action. We will have to wait for the court decision before we start to instruct HCEO's would seem they want to get us together in court to unfold the story guess the two owners will act like lying school boys and the judge will see right throught them by the way they have sold the car we px and the car we bought which we returned to them is uninsured so they must still have it had major ecu fault being a chrysler would have cost the earth to have fixed the car was a lemon and they new that when they sold it to us.

 

Will update forum with any new progress can't believe this sort of arther daley goings on still happens thought it stopped 25 years ago the law seems to be an ass over used car sales.

 

Do you have a CCJ or not?

If you don't why was the county court bailiff visiting?

If you have a CCJ : the court has ruled. Get the HCEO's in before they apply for a set aside.

Link to post
Share on other sites

As things don't seem to clear as a layman yes we have ccj the county court bailiff went to collect Autosave Blackpool told bailiff they didn't owe dept the court seem to be guiding us on what ever route they want i am a layman so sound information will be taken on board if i can get the HCEO to go and collect i will don't want to sound daft but how do we get that in place seems all the documents our with court in norhthampton although the bailiff was from Blackpool county court.

 

As i said the above advice i was given worked for a friend ie tea and biscuits plan not for me my feet our firm on this planet at the moment.

Link to post
Share on other sites

At present it would be pointless engaging a HCEO, chances are they will possibly be applying for Set Aside to delay matters & you could be faced with a phoenix company afterwards. There are a good range of questions answered about HCEOs through http://thesheriffsoffice.com/faqs/category/obtaining-a-judgment & http://thesheriffsoffice.com/faqs/category/enforcing-a-judgment . Of course there is nothing stopping you ringing and asking your own questions.

Please consider making a small donation to help keep this site running

 

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

As people on here said case has been set aside we our in court mid sept Autosave our saying nothing is wrong with car even thought it broke down twice basically saying we buy cars and find faults and try to extort money from car dealers. My question is will this wash with the judge my girlfriend who purchased the car is an accounts clerk for a multi million pound company the idea she try's to [problem] used car dealers makes me laugh she had her last car for 5 years. Autosave say the car has been in a local garage who say the car is fine plus a main dealer in both cases no paperwork is forth coming as we asked in the past for proof of dealer inspection but he refused. They sold the car we px to them after a couple of weeks.

 

How long will it take the high court bailiff to collect after court case by the way thanx for advice about trying to shame Autosave on google and facebook the owner is not happy over this has spat his dummy out will update mid sept.

Link to post
Share on other sites

As people on here said case has been set aside we our in court mid sept Autosave our saying nothing is wrong with car even thought it broke down twice basically saying we buy cars and find faults and try to extort money from car dealers. My question is will this wash with the judge my girlfriend who purchased the car is an accounts clerk for a multi million pound company the idea she try's to **** used car dealers makes me laugh she had her last car for 5 years. Autosave say the car has been in a local garage who say the car is fine plus a main dealer in both cases no paperwork is forth coming as we asked in the past for proof of dealer inspection but he refused. They sold the car we px to them after a couple of weeks.

 

How long will it take the high court bailiff to collect after court case by the way thanx for advice about trying to shame Autosave on google and facebook the owner is not happy over this has spat his dummy out will update mid sept.

 

"high court bailiff"?? : If the set aside fails: are you planning on using the county court bailiffs (who haven't collected once already), or the HCEO's - who are enforcement officers rather than bailiffs.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Will be using the HCEO'S think Autosave still have the car we purchased from them as its not showing up on the insurance database but the car we px again'ts it is showing as insured so to me it has been sold on maybe i'm wrong.By the way if you look on Yell Yelp and google, feedbacks have been left by other past customers basically they have tried it on the same way with them, will the court take past feedback i'e telling customers to take us to court and ignoring basic trading rules.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Court is a more frightening word than Boo, probably 99.9% threaten and never go through with it so it gives traders like this the confidence to say 'take us to court' knowing it will probably never happen and usually don't.

 

 

Civil courts aren't like criminal courts, judges with silly wigs and a gavel shouting 'silence in court' and juries and lawyers. they are usually a room with a nice dining table where you all sit around and make your points.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If you win the ruling (presuming they have applied for a set aside). Instruct HCEO's as soon as you can afterwards. Once the HCEO's turn up on site, these car dealers won't know what's hit them and the debt will either be paid (by cash or card) or the HCEO's will start removing items of value of up to 10 times the debt.

 

That kind of makes businesses sit up and take notice :D

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...