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    • I've done a new version including LFI's suggestions.  I've also change the order to put your strongest arguments first.  Where possible the changes are in red.  The numbering is obviously knackered.  Methinks stuff about the consideration period could be added but I'm too tired now.  See what you think. Background  1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.  Unfair PCN  4.1  On XXXXX the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) the solicitors helpfully sent photos of 46 signs in their evidence all  clearly showing a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will  be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  There can be no room for doubt here - there are 46 signs produced in the Claimant's own evidence. 4.2  Yet the PCN affixed to the vehicle was for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid promptly).  The reminder letters from the Claimant again all demanded £100. 4.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.   4.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim. No Locus Standi 2.1  I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  2.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The contract produced was largely illegible and heavily redacted, and the fact that it contained no witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “No Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract. Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses this document.  No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention the parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; 22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim. 5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.   Interest 6.2  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for four years in order to add excessive interest. Double Recovery  7.1  The claim is littered with made-up charges. 7.2  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100. 7.3  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims. 29. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.” 30. In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...'' 31. In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. 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i hope someone can advise my best course of action to take here .

 

briefly my wife used a car which is owned by me but she isn`t covered for insurance wise

 

whilst out in the car she had to manoevere out of a parking space when she clipped another vehicle ,

foolishly she then drove away without leaving details .

 

the next morning a traffic cop arrived at our home took a statement from my wife

in which she readily admitted her guilt and she subsequently had to attend the local magistrates court

and was fined and her licence endorsed .

 

out of the blue i received a letter from northampton county court with a statement prepared by some solicitor

claiming that i was the driver and

that i had been driving along the road when i carlessly lost control of the car ,

veered across the road and collided with his clients vehicle ,

all this of course is completely untrue and absolute nonsence .

 

there is a claim for £360.00 in repairs for the damaged car

and £50 solicitors fee and a further £50 court costs .

 

could someone please advise on my best course of action here ,

 

there is a letter / form attached with the paperwork for me to respond

but im not very clued up with the legal system .

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Also - has there been any advance correspondence about this?

 

You say that all the details are wrong. What details?

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Is the claimant an individual or an insurance provider?

You need to acknowledge the claim and state you untended to defend in full.

The claimant will have used the name and address of the "registered keep" here not the

details of the driver.

Not an unusual occurrence.

 

 

It seems that the claimant has not had any details of your wife's statement and has invented an "event" to make the claim.

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the date on the top right hand of the form is 20/06/2014 .

 

the particulars of the claim are ;

 

on the 4th day of decemeber 2013 the claimants fiat ulysees motor vehicle registration number --02--- was parked and unattended in ------- st farnworth when at approximately 14.20 the 1st defendants ( my name ) was driving a volkswagon polo motor vehicle registration number --51--- when he lost control of his vehicle and collided with the claiments parked and unattended vehicle causing the claimant to suffer loss and damage .

 

2. the 2nd defendant was the insurer of ( my name ) and --51--- for the purposes of sections 143 and 145 , or alternatively section 151 (2) (b) of the road traffic act 1968 and by virtue of regulation 3 of the european communities ( rights against insurers ) regulations 2002 the 2nd defendants are obliged to indemnify the 1st defendant and satisfy the judgement directly to the claimant .

 

3. the claimant says the 1st defendant was negligent because of the following matters :-

 

particulars of negligence

 

(1) he failed to keep any or any proper look out ;

 

(2) he failed to heed the presence of the claimants vehicle in good time or at all ;

 

(3) he drove into collision with the claimants vehicle when by exercising proper care and skill he could avoid doing so ;

 

(4) he failed to brake , steer or control his vehicle so as to avoid an accident ;

 

(5) by reason of the above matters the claimant suffered loss and damage .

 

particulars of loss and damage

 

(i) repairs £350.00

 

(6) further the claimant claims interest pursuant to section 69 of the county courts act 1984 on special damages at such rate and for such period the court sees fit

 

and the claimant claims ;-

 

1. damages limited to £350.00

2. interest as detailed in paragraph 6 ;

3. costs .

 

the above are what i recieved from northampton county court , as i said earlier though i was not the driver , my wife was and she has already been dealt with by the local magistrates courts .

the owner of the fiat car must have been given my wifes details because a traffic cop came to our home and took a full statement of my wife .

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OK the statement given by your wife was that she "clipped" the car while coming out of a parking space, this statement was made an accepted by a police officer correct?

Who is the claimant an individual or an insurance provider?

 

 

1, Inform your insurance provider of this claim immediately, pass copies of the claim to them.

2. Did you inform your insurer of the incident and the action in the magistrates court.

3. What was the evidence given to the court, the parking incident or that shown in the POC.?

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OK the statement given by your wife was that she "clipped" the car while coming out of a parking space, this statement was made an accepted by a police officer correct?

Who is the claimant an individual or an insurance provider?

 

 

1, Inform your insurance provider of this claim immediately, pass copies of the claim to them.

2. Did you inform your insurer of the incident and the action in the magistrates court.

3. What was the evidence given to the court, the parking incident or that shown in the POC.?

 

the true account was the statement given by my wife to the police officer and this was also accepted by the magistrates court .

 

the police had already informed my insurers ( this i think was prior to them interveiwing my wife and taking her statement , and finding out if she was covered on my insurance to drive the car ) .

i didn`t inform my insurer of my wife court case as i didnt think it was of any interest to them .

the evidence given in my wifes court case was that given to the police .

 

the details on the poc are purely fictious there are no true facts in it at all apart from the registration of my vw polo .

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the true account was the statement given by my wife to the police officer and this was also accepted by the magistrates court .

 

the police had already informed my insurers ( this i think was prior to them interveiwing my wife and taking her statement , and finding out if she was covered on my insurance to drive the car ) .

i didn`t inform my insurer of my wife court case as i didnt think it was of any interest to them .

the evidence given in my wifes court case was that given to the police .

 

 

You need to get the details off to your insurers asap.

Any incident particularly involving police and court action is material to the insurance cover, failure

to inform can/will lead the insurer declining to assist/pay out for a 3rd party claim.

I am presuming your wife is a named driver on your insurance and not relying on a clause in a separate

policy in her name.

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no my wife had used the car without my knowledge or consent thats the whole point so , as far as im concerned this whole thing has nothing to do with me other than the fact that iam the registered keeper the only person named on my insurance is me .

 

as i explained earlier my wife has already been dealt with by the local court for using the car without insurance and leaving the scene of an accident without leaving her details .

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no my wife had used the car without my knowledge or consent thats the whole point so , as far as im concerned this whole thing has nothing to do with me other than the fact that iam the registered keeper the only person named on my insurance is me .

 

as i explained earlier my wife has already been dealt with by the local court for using the car without insurance and leaving the scene of an accident without leaving her details .

 

So, who do you think is liable to pay for the damage to the car that your wife hit, and if it nothing to do with your insurers, how do you think the person whose car was damaged should seek to recover those losses?

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no my wife had used the car without my knowledge or consent thats the whole point so , as far as im concerned this whole thing has nothing to do with me other than the fact that iam the registered keeper the only person named on my insurance is me .

 

as i explained earlier my wife has already been dealt with by the local court for using the car without insurance and leaving the scene of an accident without leaving her details .

Your wife then is guilty of driving without insurance?

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as i explained earlier my wife has already been dealt with by the local court for using the car without insurance and leaving the scene of an accident without leaving her details .

 

By a criminal court, perhaps. She hasn't been dealt with by a civil court for damage caused to the vehicle. You need to appreciate that if you successfully defend this on the basis it has nothing to do with you, it just means they would sue your wife instead who would have to come up with the full amount in cash if she wants to avoid a CCJ.

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As said previously if your spouse is NOT named on your insurance and does not have her own insurance there is a big problem.

Your insured vehicle has been involved in an incident involving police and court action you need to tell your insurance provider.

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the true account was the statement given by my wife to the police officer and this was also accepted by the magistrates court .

 

the police had already informed my insurers ( this i think was prior to them interveiwing my wife and taking her statement , and finding out if she was covered on my insurance to drive the car ) .

i didn`t inform my insurer of my wife court case as i didnt think it was of any interest to them .

the evidence given in my wifes court case was that given to the police .

 

the details on the poc are purely fictious there are no true facts in it at all apart from the registration of my vw polo .

 

Hi,

 

The name is wrong which is a very odd mistake to make but I don't see how you can say the circumstances are fictional.

 

This is a peculiar case and one would have expected to see your wife named as the defendant.

 

I think you need to speak to your insurer and find out what they are going to do about it.

 

I suppose technically this is both a small claim and an uninsured driver case.

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