Delays to PIP

[antone]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24680366

 

The government's welfare changes for disabled people in England, Scotland and Wales have been delayed.

People will move from Disability Living Allowance to the Personal Independence Payment next week in only certain areas instead of the whole of Great Britain.

Work and pensions minister Mike Penning said the process of reassessing people was "taking longer than expected".

[reallymadwoman]

Is it coincidence that ATOS are not involved in the initial reassessment areas?

[mr_mastiff]

Is it coincidence that ATOS are not involved in the initial reassessment areas?

 

Unfortunately they were not involved in the initial WCA assessments either so I would not read to much into that. However, I am yet again right in the middle of the trial area.

 

A number of people I know are due to change to PIP in the new year so I will try and get them to post experiences etc.

[Nystagmite]

Now there's a surprise...

[45002]

I really gets me when the Tories blame Labour in news papers,tv radio today...

 

Both Tories and Labour are to blame for the current mess DLA is in.

 

It was the Tories that changed dla in 1992 from the old mobility allowance scheme which required everyone to have a Medical 1st to DLA self assessment and little if No medical checks, which lead to people to abusing the system.

 

When Labour came into power in 1997 they did start to check everyone on DLA,but soon stopped when it became politicly un popular...

 

One of the main reason for this delay,is they are still moving people from IB to ESA and is several years behind schedule, the appeals system in parts of the uk is taking 1 or 2 years or grinding to a halt...

 

Wonder how long UC will be put back for !

Edited October 26, 2013 by 45002

[mr_mastiff]

I really get me when the Tories blame Labour in news papers,tv radio today...

 

Both Tories and Labour are to blame for the current mess DLA is in.

 

It was the Tories that changed dla in 1992 from the old mobility allowance scheme which required everyone to have a Medical 1st to DLA self assessment and little if No medical checks, which lead to people to abusing the system.

 

When Labour came into power in 1997 they did start to check everyone on DLA,but soon stopped when it became politicly un popular...

 

One of the main reason for this delay,is they are still moving people from IB to ESA and is several years behind schedule, the appeals system in parts of the uk is taking 1 or 2 years or grinding to a halt...

 

Wonder how long UC will be put back for !

 

Your guess is as good as mine but if the Labdems get in 2015 anything could happen!

[skyking]

Is this news is new ??? I have received letter from D.W.P informing it will start in 2015 this letter is dated 9/08/2013:-(

[45002]

Your guess is as good as mine but if the Labdems get in 2015 anything could happen!

 

Yup,It's going to get worse who ever get's in 2015.

 

Politicians can never think ahead more than 5 years at a time and the damage there decisions/policies do long after they leave office

[estellyn]

I just miss out being in the trial areas, does this mean when I move in a month (which will affect DLA assessment) that I will be reassessed for DLA rather than for PIP? Hmmmm not sure what I think about that.

[mr_mastiff]

I just miss out being in the trial areas, does this mean when I move in a month (which will affect DLA assessment) that I will be reassessed for DLA rather than for PIP? Hmmmm not sure what I think about that.

 

I have been trying to find out. From what can understand if your DLA ends on or after 17 march 2014 in the trial area you go to PIP, In all other areas you will get the DLA renewal form. I have been told that it will be oct 2015 before they start the process of DLA to PIP for me.

 

As anyone any details of what will happen in non-trial areas.

[estellyn]

I have been trying to find out. From what can understand if your DLA ends on or after 17 march 2014 in the trial area you go to PIP, In all other areas you will get the DLA renewal form. I have been told that it will be oct 2015 before they start the process of DLA to PIP for me.

 

As anyone any details of what will happen in non-trial areas.

 

Well, I'll find out soon as we've just been nominated for a ground floor HA flat and should move within the month. We're in a non trial area and the move will trigger reassessment for me (due to no more stairs). I guess it will be DLA reassessment.

 

My husband's DLA ends next year and I wanted him to be moved to PIP as it's more generous for mental health issues - guess we're out of luck for the time being.

[Nystagmite]

If you now report a change which affects how much you're entitled to, are you still moved to PIP now? Or has that changed now? I know it was from October 2013.

[worried33]

So currently what help people are entitled to varies by postcode for

 

council tax help

GP/healthcare

housing/discretionary funds

crisis loan replacement

in the past there was a postcode lottery on ATOS recorded medicals as we noticed on here that the refusals were limited to east midlands and east anglia.

 

since the midlands/norfolk seems the areas that get least attention of national news coverage these areas seem to be the new picking on people ground.

 

here is now a new postcode lottery for PIP/DLA

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24680366

 

So if I understand that right, wales, midlands, east anglia = PIP

Rest of country = DLA until 2015

 

There seems to be some serious fragmentation going on now across the country with laws, rights and social security. I dont think its by accident either, its deliberate in my view so certian people dont see the full extenct of whats happening.

[RaeUK]

Divide and conquer?

[Nystagmite]

Not that I'm complaining; but I've noticed that when they do these pilots, (universal credit, PIP, etc) the south west are always ignored...

[mr_mastiff]

If you now report a change which affects how much you're entitled to, are you still moved to PIP now? Or has that changed now? I know it was from October 2013.

 

By the look of it in the non trial areas it will be DLA.

[worried33]

exactly rae.

 

Those in the non trial areas, will keep quiet grateful for keeping DLA. So defenitly divide and conquer.

 

The fact I said about national coverage the way the bbc article is written proves my point.

 

They consider the vast majority unaffected and generally its considered delayed.

 

But the entire middle band of the country is still been moved over.

 

2 years is excessive for a trial which would suggest political reasons.

 

This to me is probably aimed at the next election results and to reduce protests with the headline "delays" when instead they have really just changed it to a staged rollout.

Edited October 27, 2013 by worried33

[antone]

Not that I'm complaining; but I've noticed that when they do these pilots, (universal credit, PIP, etc) the south west are always ignored...

 

I suspect it's for the same reason that northern Scotland tends to be ignored for these pilots - it's a relatively large area with a low population density.

[worried33]

I suspect it's for the same reason that northern Scotland tends to be ignored for these pilots - it's a relatively large area with a low population density.

 

in that case why arent they doing them in london, south east, north west?

[antone]

in that case why arent they doing them in london, south east, north west?

 

Opposite issue, I guess - too many people You want somewhere in between so you can deliver (or, more likely, fail to deliver) a proof of concept.

[worried33]

Opposite issue, I guess - too many people You want somewhere in between so you can deliver (or, more likely, fail to deliver) a proof of concept.

 

to me this has legal challenge written all over it, I know trials have happened in the past but its ridicolous.

 

The situation is if I understand right.

 

All new claimants no matter where live in the uk if under 65 apply for PIP not DLA.

Existing DLA claimants if no circumstances changed stay on DLA as long as entitlement still exists.

Existing DLA claimants if circumstances change are reassessed under PIP rules if in the middle band of the country or under DLA rules elsewhere. So eomeone with same evidence, condition, needs etc. can get turned down in one part of the country and given help in another. Thats just plain wrong. Especially when the difference is for a 2 year period.

 

Whats a change of circumstance? I am guessing if a DLA claim expires thats counts as a change so it becomes a PIP assessment?

 

Its either ready or its not, treating millions of people as guinea pigs like this just because they unlucky to live in the wrong place is sick. But this political play will work, those in the areas which have the reprieve will turn their heads away and stay silent.

[Nystagmite]

The change in circumstance is related to care and /or mobility needs. So, the person whose change is their address, they stay on DLA. But the person whose change is because they need more help with day to day things, they change to PIP.

 

As I understand it, those whose DLA expires, it's PIP they claim. There is something about this applying only to people whose awards expire after February 2014. Not sure if this has changed

[speedfreek]

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/253420/timetable-for-pip-replacing-dla-slides.pdf

 

Shamelessly stolen from elsewhere credit to Richie FTB

 

October 2015 for me so 1 last chance for DLA after my award runs out.

[dasis16]

My husband's DLA ends next year and I wanted him to be moved to PIP as it's more generous for mental health issues - guess we're out of luck for the time being.

 

Do you have a source for that? I would like to know what I can expect when I eventually apply for PIP (currently getting DLA).

 

It seems to be a running trend with all of these cuts that they are implemented little by little. I think in part because they think they'll get away with the most by moving slowly, but also because I don't think they're actually equipped to completely change the system.

 

I think they've made it clear their intentions are to punish the poor and needy, not help them. None of these changes to the system are going to change to overall picture for the better, and the argument that the current system needs fixing is flawed if the government can't adequately implement the changes they're making.

 

Their justification for a lack of overall impact assessment is laughable. They say they can't complete one because it's too difficult, and may complete one once all the changes are implemented. So once the damage is already done, in other words. To me this is a blatant acknowledgement that even they don't know how their changes are going to affect everyone.

 

This government is inadequate to say the least.

[mr_mastiff]

Do you have a source for that? I would like to know what I can expect when I eventually apply for PIP (currently getting DLA).

 

It seems to be a running trend with all of these cuts that they are implemented little by little. I think in part because they think they'll get away with the most by moving slowly, but also because I don't think they're actually equipped to completely change the system.

 

I think they've made it clear their intentions are to punish the poor and needy, not help them. None of these changes to the system are going to change to overall picture for the better, and the argument that the current system needs fixing is flawed if the government can't adequately implement the changes they're making.

 

Their justification for a lack of overall impact assessment is laughable. They say they can't complete one because it's too difficult, and may complete one once all the changes are implemented. So once the damage is already done, in other words. To me this is a blatant acknowledgement that even they don't know how their changes are going to affect everyone.

 

This government is inadequate to say the least.

 

Try this document.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pip-assessment-criteria