Crack down on sickness

[Nystagmite]

Including the half a million who are losing out under PIP? Their disabilities and needs are still there.

[SOD'EM]

Correct...

 

I said this before and will say it again,Genuinely ill and disabled people should have nothing to worry about then !

 

I am sorry to say, but 80% of claimants that attend a medical with ATOS (assigned by the Government as Health Professionals, but there is not one doctor or specialist among them) are told they are fit for work (or do not recieve the 15 points required to get ESA).

 

Out of these 80%, over 50% of them are sucessful after an appeal. I am assuming that a lot of the 80% don't even bother appealing because of the hassle.

 

I can see why the Government do this, as at minimum they will get some people off ESA. I just think they go the wrong way about it. I myself attended one of these medicals some time back. Let's just say I was mentally fragile at the time. I did recieve some points, but not enough to claim ESA. However, the only questions I was aked at the ATOS medical was 'can I get myself dressed, can I go to the shops, can I cook myself some food etc etc, along with a lot of other mundane questions. The system is not working (just the same as the CSA), yet they don't change their ways. They just make it much harder for genuine people to claim.

 

ATOS are just like wheel clampers. The more people they say are fit for work, the more money they recieve from the Government. They don't however have to pay that money back if the people appeal and win.

 

GS4 have had none of their prison contracts renewed (indeed they have even lost a few) because of their cock ups. The same should be done to ATOS. If they had the right people doing the medicals, I feel there would be a lot less people complaining about scroungers and wasters.

 

In a nutshell........Genuine ill and disabled people do need to worry.

[Surfer01]

I supplied letters from my specialists plus my GP and never had any issues, mainly because there is no cure for RA or a damaged back. Please don't take this incorrectly as it is not meant to offend. On the mental health aspect, it could be assumed that at one time or other a person has mental issues, however these mental issues sometimes resolve themselves or it is done with help from the proper organisation specialising in that type of help.

I can understand the government trying to weed out those with mental issues that have recovered, but are still claiming benefits. Unfortunately because of the actions of a few inconsiderate people the rest of us must suffer and endure humiliation at the hands of ATOS. It is my belief that once these people are weeded out the system, it will be better for all of us that have genuine issues.

[Nystagmite]

You're lucky you have specialists. I don't.

[osdset]

I supplied letters from my specialists plus my GP and never had any issues, mainly because there is no cure for RA or a damaged back. Please don't take this incorrectly as it is not meant to offend. On the mental health aspect, it could be assumed that at one time or other a person has mental issues, however these mental issues sometimes resolve themselves or it is done with help from the proper organisation specialising in that type of help.

I can understand the government trying to weed out those with mental issues that have recovered, but are still claiming benefits. Unfortunately because of the actions of a few inconsiderate people the rest of us must suffer and endure humiliation at the hands of ATOS. It is my belief that once these people are weeded out the system, it will be better for all of us that have genuine issues.

 

It's not only those with mental issues, ATOS do their utmost to weed out as many claimants as possible genuine or not, if the DWP had their way no one would be in receipt of ESA, current thinking is that everyone, regardless of illness or disability is capable of some kind of work. In an ideal society with unlimited funding and job opportunities this ideology might work,as things stand today we do not have the jobs or the resources to accommodate those with physical or mental impairments, forcing these people into destitution is not a humane way to treat anyone.

[Nystagmite]

Many people with mental health issues may go months with no problems and they then have serious problems. Would you really employ someone who could go off sick at short notice for months at a time?

 

There is no way of knowing whether someone has recovered. I had mental health issues at 17 / 18 and was fine from then until just before I was 21.

[snowdragon]

anyone know if you get informed medical certificate has run out? was told we would be told, partner can not remember when it runs out, TIA

[Nystagmite]

I get a letter a few days before. I know my current one runs out on Friday; so got one today.

[snowdragon]

tyvm Nystagmite

[debt4get]

It is my belief that once these people are weeded out the system, it will be better for all of us that have genuine issues.

I am sorry surfer but if you believe that then you are going to be sadly disappointed....this govt is out to make life for the sick ill and disabled an absolute nightmare....I gained 0 points with ATOS, appealed, and eventually couldnt stand it any more and went and managed to get myself a job....and at 58 thought i was damned lucky to get one...however, my appeal went ahead without me and just had a letter because the appeal has been adjourned to get reports from my doctors, so it looks like i may get the necessary points that i need, this govt is determined to hound as many people as they can off the sick, and also to cut the dla budget by 20% if you read the new descriptors a lot of us with mobility problems are going to be big big losers

[Surfer01]

I am sorry surfer but if you believe that then you are going to be sadly disappointed....this govt is out to make life for the sick ill and disabled an absolute nightmare....I gained 0 points with ATOS, appealed, and eventually couldnt stand it any more and went and managed to get myself a job....and at 58 thought i was damned lucky to get one...however, my appeal went ahead without me and just had a letter because the appeal has been adjourned to get reports from my doctors, so it looks like i may get the necessary points that i need, this govt is determined to hound as many people as they can off the sick, and also to cut the dla budget by 20% if you read the new descriptors a lot of us with mobility problems are going to be big big losers

 

I don't you chastise me for my remark however at the age of 58 you are able to get work?

[Nystagmite]

I don't you chastise me for my remark however at the age of 58 you are able to get work?

 

No disrespect to people of that age; but who wants to hire a 58 year old? They won't be working for much longer. Whereas, someone in their 20s will be working for another 40 years.

 

Many disabled people don't meet the criteria for PIP or ESA. But they're still disabled. I am "lucky" that I meet enough descriptors to in theory, receive ESA support group and the higher rates of PIP. Whether I will get them is another matter.

[Surfer01]

No disrespect to people of that age; but who wants to hire a 58 year old? They won't be working for much longer. Whereas, someone in their 20s will be working for another 40 years.

 

Many disabled people don't meet the criteria for PIP or ESA. But they're still disabled. I am "lucky" that I meet enough descriptors to in theory, receive ESA support group and the higher rates of PIP. Whether I will get them is another matter.

It seems that in this case they were successful in getting someone off the benefits system and into work as despite their disability they are able to work and be self reliant and probably now have self respect and pride.

[debt4get]

I had self respect and pride, and believe you me going back to work is not going to do my health any good at all....but it is means must....I am already in trouble with my leg which fills with blood as i am doing a sit down job, answering phone, causing a lot more damage to the already badly damaged leg...it is swollen so badly by the time I get home that i can hardly get my trouser leg off...

[Nystagmite]

Would walking around ever so often help? it's a reasonable adjustment to allow someone to do this.

 

I would love to go back to work too. But sensory overload (which can be painful) and other stuff is preventing this.

[debt4get]

would be if i wasnt tied to a phone for 10 hour shifts....working for british gas answering calls and booking appts.....its ok but only get a break every 2 hours and sitting for that time is causing me problems....in fairness the company are very good and have made some adjustments for me but it is still giving my leg problems...can only try and see how long i can last before something gives!!

[whitenight]

your lucky you have a job, maybe you need a job with more excercise, not so muc sitting down then i wouldnt bemoaning about having your job:evil:

[debt4get]

tbh was absolutely gobsmacked they offered me the job....didnt think at my age i would ever be entering the market again....only downside is I cant understand a bl**dy word the kids on my shift are talking about!!! as to more exercise that is catch22 cant walk more than 50 yards without leg giving in...and sitting around dont do it any good either...have been told by doc that if i have to sit have to keep leg above height of my heart...bloody impossible to use a pc sat in that position!!

[Nystagmite]

How rude! Yes, Debt4get is lucky to have a job; but the rest of what you said is rude.

[whitenight]

tut tut:madgrin:

[Nystagmite]

eh?

[SOD'EM]

Found this link on another thread.

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/atos-doctors-and-nurses-raise-concerns-1412477

 

 

and the Government are talking about saving money.

[whitenight]

well there have been people saying their sick and claiming for years when really they should have been at work, but now they have been caught out and either their other halfs have been sent to work, its about time the government shook the NON sick from the REAL sick, now the real disabled will be left alone, imagine how much the government have saved on the work dodgers,

[Nystagmite]

How many people found fit for work have been told they can't claim JSA due to being too sick? And how many have won at tribunal?

 

The WCA is illogical. It doesn't take into account things like being able to get up, shower, get dressed, etc. How can you work if you can't do things like that?

[whitenight]

i,m talking about the people who have never been sick just lie not disabled people!!, scroungers for want of a better word, its been going on for years people have claimed they have a bad leg then been filmed working or climbing over a wall, these are the scroungers and its got worse thats whythis has been done to get rid of the scroungers so the real disabled people can get the help they really need, and as said before on here if people are truly sick and disabled then they have no worry do they