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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hello, I'd be grateful for some advice. I normally sign-on every 2 weeks and after last signing on 2 weeks ago (26th June), I went today to sign-on as usual for 11.20am.

 

After arriving, I am told by my personal advisor that they sent me a letter on the 28th June to turn-up on July 4th, saying I needed to sign-on weekly from now on -- and and since I did not attend on the date they said in the letter - July 3rd - and it has been 5 days, my claim has been closed !!!

 

However I never received any letter on the 28th June or at any other time since I last signed on!! - I check my post every morning when I go out to buy the milk and I absolutely never received any letter saying I needed to sign-on on July 3rd !!

 

This is a complete nightmare as I already had my claim closed down once before because I was sick 2 times in a year and did a rapid reclaim in February which went through -- but it took ages for housing benefit and council tax to be restarted and days lobbying the council to get it all sorted.

 

If I did not receive any letter how can they close my claim down? It seems ridiculous! I turned up at my scheduled appointment and even phoned first thing in the morning to say could I come early because I have a job interview today!!

 

I have now phoned up the Benefits Office (Glasgow) and they say they checked and Fulham closed my claim correctly and they can't do anything and I am to call and do a rapid reclaim or take it up with Fulham.

 

I have now phoned the rapid reclaim they said my claim has not fully closed so I have an appointment on Friday at the job center to sign some forms and provide ID etc.

 

My question --- is there any way I can stop this crazy process?? I never received any letter, signed on at my reguarlyl scheduled time, and yet they have closed my claim??

 

Many thanks

Yours most stressfully!

Ben

(worked 17 years, unemployed for the last 13 months only)

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Immediately inform Housing Benefit that during the time you were not in receipt of JSA that you had ZERO income so that you can receive HB & CTB on the grounds that you had ZERO income. It is for the HB dept to show that you had an income for that period if they want to disallow this claim, not for you to prove that you had no income ( it helps if you can provide proof).

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Is it really up to the council to prove you had income or is it up to you to prove you had none? What would count as proof during this period? I ask as next year claimants waiting for a reconsideration from the DWP regarding their failed ESA assessment won't be given any benefits to live on. Many of us will be needing to establish a lack of income and realistically it's impossible to do that IMHO. What will the council accept as proof of no income? I suspect establishing ID too will be a problem for many as how many longterm sick people have need of a driving license or a passport? I've got neither myself!

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Is it really up to the council to prove you had income or is it up to you to prove you had none? What would count as proof during this period? I ask as next year claimants waiting for a reconsideration from the DWP regarding their failed ESA assessment won't be given any benefits to live on. Many of us will be needing to establish a lack of income and realistically it's impossible to do that IMHO. What will the council accept as proof of no income? I suspect establishing ID too will be a problem for many as how many longterm sick people have need of a driving license or a passport? I've got neither myself!

 

I think I have missed this bit of news..since when have DWP said you cannot claim assessment rate by reclaiming ESA whilst awaiting an appeal? I know it not about the original thread but it is news to me.:?:

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I think I have missed this bit of news..since when have DWP said you cannot claim assessment rate by reclaiming ESA whilst awaiting an appeal? I know it not about the original thread but it is news to me

 

The new regs coming out next year will mean a mandatory reconsideration before appeal, there will be no time limit to the reconsideration and there is no benefit entitlement during the reconsideration.

 

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That's next year, now right now. They seem to have got it in under the radar. Consultation on it ended in May. It's a proposal but we've seen what happens to other proposals. IDS and Grayling have suggested that allowing people to claim benefits while they're waiting for a reconsideration and after that an appeal is a 'perverse incentive' to making an appeal. I'm sure I don't need to tell you what absolute nonsense that is. Sue Marsh has blogged about this if you want to go over what she's said on the subject.

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That's next year, now right now. They seem to have got it in under the radar. Consultation on it ended in May. It's a proposal but we've seen what happens to other proposals. IDS and Grayling have suggested that allowing people to claim benefits while they're waiting for a reconsideration and after that an appeal is a 'perverse incentive' to making an appeal. I'm sure I don't need to tell you what absolute nonsense that is. Sue Marsh has blogged about this if you want to go over what she's said on the subject.

 

I've heard that too.

 

In a perverse way I can understand where they are coming from.

As it stands at the moment, as long as you put in an appeal you will get the same money as you would get from JSA, so there is no incentive to claim JSA.

If however, no money will be paid on reconsideration/appeal from next year if anybody wants some money they are going to have to sign on!

 

At the moment the appeal/reconsideration procedure can be abused by those who probably know that they won't win at a Tribunal yet see it as the 'soft' option. ESA claims at the moment are nothing more than a roundabout that when you get knocked off, you jump straight back onto it. This could go on for years!! Claim, fail, appeal, fail, claim, fail, appeal, fail..........!!

 

As regards the post itself, I can't see how anyone can win the argument. The DWP say it was posted yet the claimant says it was never received. In times gone by the ability to give the benefit of doubt in favour of the claimant was there for the DWP to use.

 

However, I do wonder how many times they hear that story when someone forgets to do something. It will have been abused so now the DWP are saying that it being posted is good enough to assume it was delivered. Not fair I know, but blame it on those that have taken the michael out of it in the past.

 

I know it doesn't help the poster, but they are going to have one big problem proving that it wasn't delivered!

 

Better to concentrate on getting the claim up and running again than arguing with the DWP.

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People who are genuinely ill won't be able to sign on. They won't be able to meet the conditions so they won't be eligible. As 40-80% of appeals succeed, we know many of these people will genuinely be ill,so ill they can't work. How can anybody reasonably be asked to survive without any income, let alone people who are ill enough to satisfy a tribunal? What are people supposed to live on?

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The mandatory revision before appeal does not just effect ESA it applies to all benefits, so no one will have any means of support if they appeal. It's the governments underhand way of yet again stifling peoples right to fair process, with the curtailment of many aspects of legal aid as well, ordinary folk will be left with no options to fight back against a draconian system which has been engineered to enable benefit denial under the guise of reform.

 

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

 

Being poor is like being a Pelican. No matter where you look, all you see is a large bill.

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People who are genuinely ill won't be able to sign on. They won't be able to meet the conditions so they won't be eligible. As 40-80% of appeals succeed, we know many of these people will genuinely be ill,so ill they can't work. How can anybody reasonably be asked to survive without any income, let alone people who are ill enough to satisfy a tribunal? What are people supposed to live on?

 

If it were the other way around and a large number of appeals failed then that would make more sense but as it is now the inference is that appeals are merely a delaying tactic but evidence shows other wise so it is interesting that it could even be "proposed"...so another way people will end up in what is already the no mans land of benefits...to ill to work but to well to claim ESA.....as both benefits are administered by the same "side" so to speak it is an interesting scenario is it not....it seems odd that they do not sing from the same book when it comes to determining wether a person is fit to work...:-(

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Well i have been told that i am not well enough to work but i can go out and work part time , and still get benefit , now i see why the government are soo pi$$$y. I understand people in wheelchairs need to have dla for transport etc ? but if you are not fit to claim esa then how is it justified that you can work 16 hours ? in a climate when that is all is available anyways ?

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After arriving, I am told by my personal advisor that they sent me a letter on the 28th June to turn-up on July 4th, saying I needed to sign-on weekly from now on -- and and since I did not attend on the date they said in the letter - July 3rd - and it has been 5 days, my claim has been closed !!!

 

I am surprised that you weren't told in person at your last appointment that you had to sign on weekly.

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People who are genuinely ill won't be able to sign on. They won't be able to meet the conditions so they won't be eligible. As 40-80% of appeals succeed, we know many of these people will genuinely be ill,so ill they can't work. How can anybody reasonably be asked to survive without any income, let alone people who are ill enough to satisfy a tribunal? What are people supposed to live on?

 

Quite honestly, given your scenarios, there could be problems ahead. Yet, if you look at it from another angle, the DWP one, they could well rightly say that a formal assessment has been carried out into the ability to work and have been found fit for work.

 

Given that they will use that argument, I presume they will then say that JSA is the way forward and that there are 'disability advisors' there to help, plus no doubt the Jobseekers Agreement can be formulated aroung the particular disability.

 

They seem to have it all covered.

 

In addition to that, for the life of me I could never understand why the assessment rate was paid after putting in an appeal given that the DWP have said that it is because the appeal is treated as a new claim. Errr how can you have a valid new claim if it is within 6 months of failing a previous ESA assessment? Unless of course if there is a deterioration or new illness involved. the two never really seemed to go together.

 

Still I am going off topic.

 

My advice is still the same to the poster - forget the argument - go and get your claim up and running asap.

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Well i have been told that i am not well enough to work but i can go out and work part time , and still get benefit , now i see why the government are soo pi$$$y. I understand people in wheelchairs need to have dla for transport etc ? but if you are not fit to claim esa then how is it justified that you can work 16 hours ? in a climate when that is all is available anyways ?

 

There are many that do work 16 hours a week AND continue to claim ESA. Many go back to their old job, restrict their hours down to under 16, making sure that they do not go above the £100 a week barrier and still claim ESA having been assessed in some cases as totally unfit for work and being in the Support Group for up to 3 years!

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There's more about the legislation here http://socialwelfareunion.org/archives/695

 

Ah so, it is a done deal then?

 

If so, I do hope that those that take up the opportunity to claim JSA after being told they are fit for work receive their benefit in a timely manner.

 

I failed an ESA assessment, and took what I was told as gospel from the DWP and claimed JSA. The claim lasted all of one day as the Jobcentre contacted me and told me that I was too sick to look for a job!! As instructed, I submitted an appeal against the ESA decision and made a rapid ESA reclaim. That one day of messing about cost me many weeks (13th Jan - 18th May) of no money!! It was a nice bumper giro when I received it, and thankfully I had sufficient other monies coming in (private pensions etc) to help us survive.

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But what of those appealing decision from WRAG to Support? and what if the person is really ill and has support needs etc or and cannot make it to JCP for legitimate reasons and gets sanctioned anyway?.....they cannot claim ESA nor JSA (after the two weeks sick allowed each year has been used up, if they are still within the six months or whatever) and there are reportedly cases where they are deemed too ill to sign on even though WCA has said fit for work.....rock and hard place versus blinkered and no room for error? :evil:

 

Surely there has to be something to protect those whose appeals are justfied, especially where the evidence is that appeals are overturned a significant percentage of the time and even DWP have stated that WCA is currently not fit for purpose as it stands...as is backed up by BMA I gather....seems more a matter of trying to save money over common sense and being reasonable if you ask me.....:sad:

 

And potentially forcing a sick person to starve in the cold and with no access to any help, possibly not able to afford to get to hospital if needed because no money for taxi or petrol... is cruel and heartless and misguided and unfocussed and WRONG.....in my opinion....so much for the "welfare" element in legislation!!!:-x

 

There are always going to be those who do not push themselves, do as little as they can, work the system etc but there are those who are genuinely ill and unable to look for full time, permanent work (and many who cannot consider any type of work at any time) and will find the need for a formal commitment on a weekly basis (i.e. the standard work contract) impossible due to the nature of their conditions...no matter what anyone might like to think.:sad:

 

And yes, again, the initial thread has been lost...is there any way they can be split? It seems the "proposal" is getting the interest too...

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Thank-you for everyone's replies and I will get onto my council about the HB and CT.

 

I am surprised that you weren't told in person at your last appointment that you had to sign on weekly.

 

Yes, I was VERY surprised as well... why send a letter two days after I've attended? I can't help thinking this is just them playing a numbers game to get their stats looking good.

 

I absolutely did not receive any letter - however I live in a block of flats where essentially all our mail is available to everyone else and perhaps someone picked up my letter by mistake .. but still, it's crazy that they don't email or phone or send anything critical like a change of appointment by registered post.

 

Is there any appeals process or is just a case of "tough luck" - now I need to wait and do a rapid restart?

 

I'm also worried because I've already had benefit suspended once this year (this was legitimate however) -- is there any chance they won't renew it once I ask for a restart?

 

Best regards

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Please don't shoot me, can only advise based on what I do at work.

You attended to sign on the 26th as normal and an appointment was then booked and letter posted out on the 28th for the 4th July, so there would have been ample tiome for the letter to be received, unfortunately once the letter has left the JCP office it is the responsibility of Royal Mail to deliver the letter in a timeously manner.

If you have not had any problems with receiving your post from the JCP/DWP previously which has been recorded (e.g unsafe address or missing girocheque) then the decision was taken that it would be safe to assunme delivery of the letter and the claim was then subsequently closed after a period of 5 working days after the fail to attend.

 

You can request a reconsideration of the decision stating your reasons why you did not not attend the appointment but this will be passed to the BC to determine if benefit can be paid for the period in between your last payment and the date of your rapid reclaim.

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Yes, I was VERY surprised as well... why send a letter two days after I've attended? I can't help thinking this is just them playing a numbers game to get their stats looking good.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence or laziness. What has happened is the letter should have been handed out to you in person by the JC+ officer last time you signed for your benefit, but he/she forgot to do it and then realized the mistake and sent it over by post.

 

It happened to me a couple of times in the last 4 years, luckily all went well for me. When you send your request for reconsideration make sure you mentioned the fact it could and should have been handed to you in person.

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