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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Just trying to figure out her entitlement to a freedom pass.... thought it was for the over 60's or disabled?

 

Maybe the sister is 17, the Gran over 60, and the friend disabled? :???:

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Billy,

 

sorry but the ticket inspector did not make you say what you said.

 

Come on now, you have got to wise up.

 

You said it, was there a gun to your head or a knife to your back?

 

No.

 

You said what you said, only you.

 

NO-ONE MADE YOU SAY ANYTHING. Apart from you, please......

 

You are still blaming others, you obviously just don't get it.

 

Seriously, you go into court saying that (if you're given the chance) then you have no hope apart from an increased fine because you are not accepting the blame.

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Absolutely right, the issue is that 'billy' used a pass that he was not entitled to in order not to pay.

 

Indeed, and it wasn't my intention to "muddy waters", only to highlight some of the "inconsequential little lies" that might make it harder for CAGgers to offer reliable advice as the goalposts shift, again.

 

OP (iambilly) : Stick to the truth, it's easier.

 

The RPI can't have made you use the pass fraudulently.

 

If you try to claim in court that the RPI "made you" say things that weren't true (so: you claim that the RPI made you admit to deliberately using the pass with intent to avoid a fare, or admit to using it more than once, when that wasn't really the case) : what do you think will happen if they trip you up in court? Truth now, is that really what happened, or just what you are now wishing you had said?

 

(If you got stressed when questioned by the RPI, don't expect court to be less stressful if you plead not guilty, with your evidence given on oath, subject to the penalties for perjury!)

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I don't hold out much hope for Billy in court, unless his barrister friend represents him.

 

If he can't get it right here, doubt he will in court.

 

Billy will come across as someone not acceoting responsibility by blaming others and they will come down on him like a ton of bricks.

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My concern was more with him messing up his life by getting a criminal record for something relatively minor.

 

I know he has abused the pass, stole, etc. but he is obviously immature.

 

However, he hasn't posted this morning, i'm taking it he has sorted something out with his barrister friend.

 

I would love to know the outcome, but doubt we will get the feed back.

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Oh right thanks yeah I wish someone with good experience could suggest help

 

 

Hmm, what help are you actually looking for, Billy?

 

You have been given excellent advice by some well respected members of CAG. IMHO, it is the only advice they can give.

 

Admit your guilt, accept responsibility and for goodness sake - dont try to evade the situation as it is. Not as you want it to be.

 

If you want this to drag on - go to a higher court and be reported on. Then claim you are not guilty, look a fool and have this follow you around for the rest of your life.

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Hi sorry for the late post. Go home pretty late from my meeting with the barrister yesterday.

 

I know what I have done is wrong and I deeply regret it, I don't know how many more times I can say it!

 

I was just trying to shift the blame in anyway possible to try an avoid a criminal record I know it is my fault!

 

I am grateful for most of the advice so far, I was just wondering if and people that went to court ect were on here is all.

 

Anyway the meeting went really well my barrister friend said pleading guilty was the best option for me, he also helped me to compose a letter informing the magistrate about my good personality ect.

 

I have sent the letter with my plea in the post and will be bringing a copy to hand to them personally.

 

The barrister guy said that it would be better to represent myself as it looks more sincerely and my best hope is that I get a down to earth magistrate.

 

He said I should admit everything, be humble and apologetic but my chances of avoiding a criminal conviction are quite low.

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Hi sorry for the late post. Go home pretty late from my meeting with the barrister yesterday.

 

I know what I have done is wrong and I deeply regret it, I don't know how many more times I can say it!

 

I was just trying to shift the blame in anyway possible to try an avoid a criminal record I know it is my fault!

 

I am grateful for most of the advice so far, I was just wondering if and people that went to court ect were on here is all.

 

Anyway the meeting went really well my barrister friend said pleading guilty was the best option for me, he also helped me to compose a letter informing the magistrate about my good personality ect.

 

I have sent the letter with my plea in the post and will be bringing a copy to hand to them personally.

 

The barrister guy said that it would be better to represent myself as it looks more sincerely and my best hope is that I get a down to earth magistrate.

 

He said I should admit everything, be humble and apologetic but my chances of avoiding a criminal conviction are quite low.

 

Which is pretty much what everyone has been advising.

 

I sincerely hope that you dont receive a criminal record, as does everyone who has contributed to your thread. So I wish you the best at your hearing and please, regardless of what happens - let us know how you get on :)

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Which is pretty much what everyone has been advising.

 

I sincerely hope that you dont receive a criminal record, as does everyone who has contributed to your thread. So I wish you the best at your hearing and please, regardless of what happens - let us know how you get on :)

 

Thanks yeah for all the advice, has been very helpful and calmed me down a little.

 

The letter to the magistrate is a nice touch I think.

 

Of course I will let you know what happens.

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Which is pretty much what everyone has been advising.

 

I sincerely hope that you dont receive a criminal record, as does everyone who has contributed to your thread. So I wish you the best at your hearing and please, regardless of what happens - let us know how you get on :)

 

He is guilty from what he has said, and is pleading guilty to a S5.3 charge of the RRA 1889 (as amended).

This will be a criminal conviction, and will show on both a basic and enhanced CRB disclosure.

 

That said, that means it will show on a CRB, and must be disclosed if applying for a job exempt from the Rhanilitation of Offenders provisions :,that doesn't mean "automatic bar from such posts".

 

Don't fib in court, don't fib on job applications ..... It isn't ideal and is a "speed bump" on your life's road ..... but it's not the end of the road!

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Yes, but if you've got 20 people applying for a teaching post and 19 haven't got convictions that 1 person with isn't going to get a look in.

 

Unfortunately true, but just as in every other facet of our lives, our own actions will have consequences.

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On a side issue, Billy, has your barrister friend talked you through how to address the mags, as in sir or madam I believe it is, so you look as respectful as possible?

 

And if I might be so bold, they may not be in the first flush of youth and might appreciate yes instead of yeah. Just my view of course.

 

My best, HB

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On a side issue, Billy, has your barrister friend talked you through how to address the mags, as in sir or madam I believe it is, so you look as respectful as possible?

 

And if I might be so bold, they may not be in the first flush of youth and might appreciate yes instead of yeah. Just my view of course.

 

My best, HB

 

Yeah we went through all of that, my appearance and demeaner could make the difference in a case like this.

 

I am generally quite well spoken and polite so that shouldn't really be an issue I hope

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Yes, but if you've got 20 people applying for a teaching post and 19 haven't got convictions that 1 person with isn't going to get a look in.

 

Agreed, if all else is equal it might be a deciding factor.

Yet, what of 2 people, one of whom has a conviction as a young / immature person, who has clearly learnt from it and turned their life around?

 

Better if it wasn't a conviction for violence or fraud ; but I'd hope the employer would look at the nature of the offence, and the individual's conduct since.

Otherwise, for any conviction, the effect is to say: you might as well become a career criminal.

 

There must be a middle ground : protecting the vulnerable, while allowing for errors of judgement while still "not fully cooked" (to borrow a phrase from "Judge Judy").

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Yeah very true, but if I was an employer and saw a criminal conviction, I know what I would think, and its not good.

 

Then this whole process gives you an opportunity to grow up.

 

One: consider how you got here in the first place, and what you learn from that.

Two: reflect on the effect of being spotted telling "little lies", and the risks to how you are perceived when a whole bunch of separate little lies is considered.

Three: you've said how you think some employers will react.

This isn't the end of your life : and one day you might be in the position where you have to decide on who you want to employ : remember how you felt, and help it guide you.

 

You face a choice:

Continue to look for loopholes / ways out of responsibility, or accept responsibility and get on with your life

Decide if you want never again to face the criminal justice system, or say "woe is me, it wasn't my fault, but I may as well be hung for a sheep than a lamb" and re-offend,

Set an example of how someone can make a mistake, get their life back on track, and later be a good example for someone else who has made a mistake, or set an example of a loser who doesn't learn from their errors.

 

Life might look bleak, but it isn't. You can however choose to make it bleak, by not "manning up / growing up", at which point it will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

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