'No Parking Sign on private land - by that I mean OUR land

[Jamberson]

I'm with Sailor Sam. You seem to be 100% sure this is your property and there's no access issue. Therefore the outstanding matter seems to be the sign and the damage they may have done when erecting it. That does fall outside the expertise of the parking guys on this forum.

[Gbarbm]

Citizenb, sailor Sam ..... I'd say this was a boundary dispute... In my opinion

[sailor sam]

Citizenb, sailor Sam ..... I'd say this was a boundary dispute... In my opinion

 

Exactly! The OP may get better advice in a more appropiate forum. Those who specializes in this type of thing are hardly going to pick up on this here IMHO. But, it's no skin off my nose!

[honeybee13]

Hi guys. I've alerted the site team to the thread and asked if it should be moved.

 

My best, HB

[Al27]

Can't you just talk to them and point out the land is actually yours? They might have made an innocent mistake when looking at the plans.

[my-spirit-soars-free]

It may not be their mistake, it would not be the first time that developers give out plans that are not correct - especially on the coach houses, as they are above other peoples garages, and it is therefore normal to have plans that show both parties owning a patch.

 

It is therefore quite possible that both parties have documentation that shows that they own the land in question, and land registry plans are not always detailed enough to resolve boundary disputes.

 

 

The coach houses are also a pain to insure, as the insurers can try to specify what items may not be stored in the garages underneath - which can leave the people in the coach house with no way to insure the building.

[EzyChic]

Hi guys,

 

Just wrote a long update then browser crashed! Land is not LA it is classed as shared ownership. Checked deeds properly - from our garage right back to the wall of (next doors) house is 10 metres. 8 meters of the land is our drive - 2 meters is classed as shared ownership. (Drive is 3.5 meters wide).

 

I usually park in the 2 meters bit so my husband can get on and off the drive (tbh we didn't realise we owned so much of the land until yesterday - never bothered to look). They have put the sign clearly on our drive - tonight I have parked on our drive behind my husband right under their sign. Didn't take long for a knock at the door to 'you can't park there'.

 

I was really calm and said I had every right to park on my drive, that was the point of it... I also asked if they would remove their sign within the next 24 hours, or I would AND I would dispose of it. She contested the land being ours, so I offered to show her the deeds, I even offered her a ruler and tape measure so she may go and check. She refused my offer and so I asked her where she had got the idea that a) we could not park there (in her defence we don't normally, occasionally when we have guests we do but try not to as they always ask us to move our car). b) she had the right to put up signs imposing parking restrictions.

 

She told me on both accounts the developers had told her - I asked if she had a copy of the deeds that showed our land, but she said they had told her over the phone (sounds odd). I told her she needed planning Permission to put up signs larger the 0.3 m sq (done some homework) and asked her if she had it - she said she didn't need it as it was private land! I assured her a) she did if they exceeded the specified 0.3 sq m and she also needed the land owners permission - to which she said she had asked our next door neighbour so had permission - I told her as it was our land and we had not given permission I expected it to be removed with immediate effect, or I would remove and dispose of it.

 

Trying to be calm and resolve the matter I asked her what exactly was the problem with my parking on my drive (thought it was a good way to get the issue resolved). She said us parking there obstructed her - as it's a dead end I do not see how.

 

Apparently as she likes to reverse into her space she can only do that if we do not have cars on our drive. I suggested she drive in forwards and reverse out (as we have to) - she said this was unreasonable - I therefore asked her if it was reasonable I ask the neighbours behind to remove their garden wall so I could use their garden to reverse into my drive - as the brick wall next to my drive is much more obstructive to me, then if I was to have three cars on my drive is to her.

 

This she deamed as stupid as I could just park somewhere else yet it was unreasonable to ask someone to move a wall (seams as reasonable as me not parking on my own drive to me) .

 

Given up with this argument she told me they were having a step in front of their flat put in (lovely) and fencing around their door. I agreed it would be lovely and as long as it didn't effect my access to my drive it would brighten the place up - she said it would mean we could only get one car on our drive - I said I thought they would struggle to get planning permission if it was going to obstruct our drive - she said full planning permission had been granted and work was going to start soon (naturally I checked later online and no application has been made).

 

Other things said were 'I don't want to look out at a car park' - begs the question why buy a flat above 4 garages and driveways then?

 

She then went on to say the police had inspected the parking and we were not allowed to park more then one car on our drive or behind our drive - didn't know police got so involved in civil matters without speaking to the other party, nor did I know they made such declarations without checking the deeds as to who's land it was.

 

She finished off with the news the council were going to paint double yellows (on my drive? And on land not owned by them???).

 

I've pretty much decided they're a bit nuts (I'm sure you won't all agree). We have tried by not parking on the back part of our drive, getting guests to park elsewhere etc - now I'm resigned to - being nice doesn't work so why bother? - I think from now on I will make full use of my drive. I don't think her inability to drive properly means I am obstructive.

 

Still going to go to planning tomorrow and get full plans. But even if the area behind my drive is not mine - the only viable obstruction it would cause is to me.

 

Lemon

 

 

This may be one for a forum change....

Edited January 10, 2012 by citizenB
popped some spacing in for easier reading.

[EzyChic]

Does he specialise in parking matters then? Sorry but in my opinion this is a property dispute. Parking regulations (private or otherwise) have nothing to do with this unless someone has been clamped or issued with a 'parking charge notice'.

 

Hi, I see what you mean about the property dispute, possibly so, my initial post was to determine whether or not I could park near my house as long as I was not causing an access issue. Even if the land was not mine - am I classed as an obstruction if I am merely stopping her from reversing into her drive (bearing in mind I can't either)?

 

Tbh guys my feathers are ruffled, surely yours would be if someone stuck notices around your parking area?

 

I'm sure it's not just me, she was bitching about all the neighbours.

[dx100uk]

if its YOUR LAND

 

tough luck to them

 

simples

 

dx

[EzyChic]

I'm sure planning will have plans so I can double check. But our deeds definitely say its ours

[dx100uk]

you cant get them online too you know

 

dx

[EzyChic]

Can I? How?

[dx100uk]

http://landregistryservice.org.uk/

[Steve__M]

Just want to add a potential wrinkle.

 

I park in a similar sort of shared courtyard with garages and parking spaces.

 

On the deeds, the marked parking spaces are owned by individual flats/houses and their owners can park there.

 

Ownership of the rest of the court yard is divided into three bits with three of the properties owning different bits of it.

 

However (this is the important bit), ownership of land does not mean that they have a right to park, as the deeds (in my case) state that no one can park on these areas.

 

So I suggest you carefully check the deeds and plans. On my plan and deeds the area is designated an "access way".

 

I'm in a similar sort of dispute with the landlord of my neighbour who tells his tenants they can park in space that I need to maneouvre into my garage because he thinks that his ownership confers on him the right to use the land as he wishes (in my case I would need to either do a 5-point turn, or reverse onto the main road if I cannot use the space to turn).

[my-spirit-soars-free]

The council do not have to own the land to paint yellow lines on it, on a previous house we owned the road, and the grass verges, but the road was adopted... so we could have got a parking ticket on our own land. It is actually fairly common to have the roads on the house deeds, roads may not be adopted for ages after the first houses on an estate are built.

 

You need to find out which parts have been adopted by the council to be sure that your neighbour can't get yellow lines painted.

 

When you say part of the land is "shared ownership", do you mean that the other party has a right of way across that land? What exactly is meant by "shared ownership", who are the parties to the share?

 

 

I would also be surprised if the neighbours got planning permission for a step to their front door, as councils are trying to make houses more disability friendly, not less. There are also often covenants on the estates by the developers, restricting the owners rights to put walls up.

[citizenB]

Ok, as this has now moved on from the original "parking issue", I think I agree it should be moved to a different forum.

 

Any suggestions ?

[citizenB]

Had the neighbour applied for Planning permission then all those properties affected would have been notified and been given the opportunity to object.

[Surfer01]

Obviously the owners fo the coachhouse were mis-informed by the sales person so should have legal re-dress. I thought HIPs took care of all these type of issues.

[EzyChic]

Hi guys,

 

thanks for all your responses. Had a chat with the developers this morning, they were really nice - they said she had called this morning and demanded a copy of my plans. I explained the situation to the developer who simply said 'so what is the problem with you parking where you are?' exactly! She said they would never ever advise people to put 'No Parking' signs up, espescially around other peoples drives.

 

I also spoke to planning who were lovely. He said he had to nip out and was passing, so would have a look and then look at the plans. He called me back and said 'so what's the problem with you parking on and behind your drive? I don't understand what the problem is.'. He also said I could take the signs down if I wanted as they were on my land - but - bless him 'why bother' they've bought and fixed up a sign for free on your drive telling other people not to park there! He said there are no parking restrictions so I was fine to park. We are not causing an obstruction!

 

He also said there had been no planning application submitted, but if any work was commenced please give them a call - he could not say whether it would be passed or not until he had seen what they planned to do.

 

I'm feeling calm now. I'm not going to broach into conversation with her about parking any more. I will merely tell her I am within my rights, I am not obstructing - and if she wants to spend time and money on silly signs, that's fine! If they offend me I'll take them down and sell them on eBay.

She did say yesterday 'if you keep parking there I'll just come and ring your doorbell' - if she does that I'll suggest she stops harrassing us before we make a formal complaint.

 

Never really was one for titt for tatt.... I can't believe I lost sleep over it!

Ezy

[Gbarbm]

Glad you got it sorted Ezychick,

 

make sure you make a note of a contact name for the planning guy and the developer and then if little miss frilly knickers rings your bell, you can tell her to ring them instead!

 

Kind regards

 

Gbarbm

[EzyChic]

Glad you got it sorted Ezychick,

 

make sure you make a note of a contact name for the planning guy and the developer and then if little miss frilly knickers rings your bell, you can tell her to ring them instead!

Kind regards

 

I do have names, but again I can't be botherd to engage with her.

'you cant park there'

me: 'says who?'

'the developers.... whoever',

me: 'cool! So what you gonna do about it?'.

 

 

Think that's as far as I'll go with her - she can stew over it.

[Gbarbm]

sounds good to me Ezychick!

[Conniff]

But none of what you say says 'this is your land bought and paid for and shown on the deeds as such'.

[The Slithy Tove]

EzyChic, I have to agree with your earlier post, suggesting your neighbour must be a bit nuts. The stuff about planning permission, police involvement, etc is clearly pure fiction.

 

However, one thing to be careful of. When it comes to selling, you are supposed to declare any disputes you have with your neighbours. I am not sure what constitutes a "dispute", but you need to be careful to ensure it doesn't escalate too far, or selling could get hard if you have to own up to having looney neighbours who argue over everything. (Lying or failing to own up can also lead you into legal hot water further down the line.)

[EzyChic]

But none of what you say says 'this is your land bought and paid for and shown on the deeds as such'.

 

I don't understand..... it is our land.... I'm just not arguing anymore - even if it wasn't our land - it's not a turning circle for her. Are you saying I should tell her it's my land? I have already, I have offered her a copy of the deeds (but she has requested one from the developers - guess she thinks I've forged ours) - I even offered her my ruler and tape measure so she could measure it herself. I can't be bothered with all that any more. 'Do what makes you happy love' - I'm not refraining from parking on my own drive.