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Well done Pipster, I am really pleased for you..

 

and a:clap2: for DB :)

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I don't have a beef with HSBC but still, I'm subbing to this thread as the sheer spunk, guts, strength and wonderful advice given by the more knowledgeable CAG crew give this old Coffee gal mucho strength, spunk and gutso in return to continue fighting her fight with these "establishments"! :nod:

 

Enjoy time with your boy and your 1 or 2 pints - you've earned them! :biggrin1:

 

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The point is quite simply that Pipster signed nothing – the card was arranged over the telephone.

 

Their argument is that, as their systems are wholly reliable, the likelihood is that he WOULD have signed a contract.

 

Our simple counter argument is that if their systems are so reliable, how come they don’t have a copy of the contract he signed?

 

They can’t rely on the efficiency of their systems, then deny that efficiency in the same breath, simply to suit their case.

 

The judge said as much in the Harrison v Link Financial case – Link produced an MBNA employee who swore that certain things must have happened because that’s how things were done. Luckily, Mr Harrison had proof to the contrary. Too often the judiciary believe these well-meaning fibbers – oh it’s a bank, they must do things properly. Well, no, they do not.

 

There is no signed document with Pipster’s scrawl. Never has been.

 

Thanks everyone.

 

Had a few hours chill time with my little boy before bed. Going to enjoy a couple of beers now :-D

 

I can still remember the call well as I hadn't long moved into my first place and was about £400 overdrawn but had a good history with my bank account, looking back they advised me to get the credit card and me not fully understanding credit at the time and at an age of 23 thought this sounded great, got rid of my overdraft I was being charged a fortune for each month. She ran through the CCA over the phone and I got the card through the door. Was quite shocked it was so easy. I know I didn't sign anything

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Morning Everyone!! :-)

 

Our visitor is back this morning and still reading. :violin:

 

Well enjoyed a few beers last night but have a bit of bad head this morning. Don't often get to enjoy a few beers with having a little one that wants to be up at anywhere from 6am.

 

Well I do feel more confident about this today and looking forward to hearing from HSBC and DG solicitors now and what their next move will be. I think that because basically the judge said 30 minutes would not be enough time and then gave it 2 hours they will press on exactly the same. One good thing now and something that has swung in my favour is that they can't play dirty like they have done by sending the WS on the day of the hearing. They have been ordered for the skelly to be in first and served to me and the court and then for mine to be put in. So I feel allot more confident because of this.

 

Its mad from HSBC though. All they had to do was release details in the first place and had my charges been refunded we wouldn't of been in this situation. The account would be paid back.

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The good thing is they can now ONLY produce a skeleton argument – no more witness statements. If they try, complain.

 

They have admitted they cannot produce a DN and you have cast doubt on the validity of any DN they might have produced.

 

They have only an improperly reconstructed agreement under s 78, which is useless under s 127. From your WS, they also know that you never actually signed an agreement. Let’s see them get over that one.

 

They have insurmountable hurdles to overcome now, IMO. They would be better off contacting you to try and settle.

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still 2 guests watching :lol:

 

I hope they do make the first move of trying to settle.Even though they have admitted they don't have a CCA and because of this have no right to collect the money it isn't my intention to not repay what I owe (the correct amount), however it will be on my terms because of the bullying and underhand tactics!!

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Just give an update.

 

Court order came through today.

 

HSBC to file their skeleton arguement by 22nd Dec (Thursday)

 

Mine to be file 5th Jan.

 

Case for strikeout to be heard on 12th Jan under a 2 hour hearing!!

 

So I know HSBC will be aware it is soon for the skelly arguement to be in but the order has only landed today. Lets see if they file it by Thursday. What happens if they don't file it?

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Pipster, if they dont file.. they will probably be given some more time :(

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That would be pretty bad if they were given more time.

 

DonkeyB - With regards to a WP letter, I'm not sure what would be best. See this out or offer them to withdraw and each side bears own costs. If I'm honest if I sent a WP letter offering that what would be the best angle to cover in the letter? The fact that they don't have a CCA or proof the default notice was sent etc? Or a different angle?

 

I'd be happy for this to be over and would accept their offer if they were to make one of bearing own costs and discontinue the case.

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well hsbcs skelly argument has to be filed today and Ive just had my post. Guess what? Yep nothing in the post from DG Sols for me.

 

Gonna ring the court later on and see if they have filed anything with them. My reckoning is they will say they sent me it but because of christmas post etc it isnt their fault. I feel it will all just be stalling tactics from them to delay me getting a copy and delay me getting my skelly argument sorted.

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Well thought I'd ring the court because if they had filed the skeleton arguement I could go get a copy today and start work on it. The court said nothing had been recieved and went away and checked the work to be done list and again nothing from them. She said they have got until close of business today to get it filed so it could still come in today. I have to ring back tomorrow lunch time to see if anything has been filed.

 

I asked what happens if they don't file because the order is made out that I have to file and serve a skeleton arguement in response on the issue of enforceability under s127 by 5th Jan 2012. I can't file that because I cant respond to their skeleton arguement. The clerk said they wont chase them for it and I will have to write a letter in and they will place it before the district judge.

 

Dunno if it it is stalling tactics by HSBC or are they going to not bother with summary judgement now and keep the case as stayed?

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Pipster

 

Typical behaviour fromHSBC/DGs I'm afraid. But if you keep at it, you will succed. I did and after nearly 3 years, they backed down 2 days before the full trial before a proper judge. They didn't have much option, no CCA, wrong T&Cs filed and no DN. Sound familiar.

 

You may get the skelly some time in the New Year. In the meantime I suggest you try to draft your own skelly.

 

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I cant really do my own skelly as the order states I have to file and serve a skelly in response to theirs. If I put a skelly in without having their skelly it won't be in response so my reading of it is that until I receive their skelly I cant do anything.

 

I'll wait until tomorrow lunchtime and if it hasn't been filed I will then write to the court.

 

Who knows HSBC may just have given up and decided to not spend any more time on the case and just not bother to send anything into the court. I should be so lucky though.

 

My other option is to ring DG and ask where it is!! Think I will hold off and see if it comes into the court tomorrow.

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