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I have received the above from the local county court,

it relates to a county court judgement that was made to an address I have never lived at or used as an address, my son and his partner live there, 

I moved from my home in June 2020,

the company I owe the money too were notified of my change of address and the debt relates to services in the first 6 months of 2021.

The ccj was issued in May 2022.

They stated on the ccj that they had made contact with me, which they obviously haven't as my son's partner gave them my address and phone number and they rang me at the end of May 22.

I remember vaguely them giving me a web address and asking me to fill in a form, and when I asked them to provide a breakdown of the debt they texted me some figures, I remember filling in a form though cannot remember what it was about and asking for a proper letter not a vague txt message.

The notice of hearing is asking for the automatic stay be lifted and permission be granted to the claimant to amend the statement of case pursuant to CPR 17.1 (2) (b).

And that the defendant to file a response within 21 days of service, also that the life of the claim be extended for a period of 4 months

Help what does it all mean and what should I do

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you dont have a ccj,?

you mean you got a claimform, but you filed a defence and the claim got stayed as they did not moved it forward i expect?

did you file a defence back then? what was it please?

have you still got the claimform we the particulars of claim and can you still access the mcol website if thats what was used?

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to old stayed claim from council for 'services' - now Notice of hearing of application

A ccj was issued in my name but at the wrong address,

according to their evidence it was a response to the claim,

but apparently it was incomplete or wrong as Northampton said they had not received a response from me.

I have no info as I wrote the details on a scrap of paper as they were given to me over the phone.

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if you have/had a judgement ccj against you, then it will show on your credit file, as long as that address is one you had lived at in the past or is showing as a link address on your credit file. check your credit file for both please

your story or my understanding of what has happened to you vs what should happen legally  - do not match.

if you know the CCJ number (alpha numeric) then give northants bulk a ring quoting that and the address it was served to and get them to check

if they find it get them to send you a copy of the judgement and at the very least the particulars of claim by email pdf

im still confused if you did or did not defend that claim.

and i cnt see why the claim needs to be extended by 4mts as the ccj(or Claim) will still be live , which is why they've requested to lift the stay and resume the claim.

is this latest letter from northampton bulk or another court?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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A court local to where I live now, I have already got a copy of the ccj sent to me.

The name is mine but the address is not mine nor has it ever been, I have NEVER used that address, the only link I have is that my son lives there.

I guess they just guessed same surname and local to where I lived.

I don't understand what they are trying to do and for what reason.

I will pay the debt happily, but reluctant to pay the extra charges they have added without ever properly contacting me

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just type no need to hit quote.

you say you have a copy of the ccj? -  the default judgement for claimant?

if so scan that up and this notice of allocation then please to PDF read upload.

if they already have default judgement i wonder what it is they are trying to vary by the NOA?

there are no extra charges to you (other than the court fees for the original CCJ) 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well they dont need to do that

they have their judgement

the address being wrong and you admitting you owe and will pay negates any reason to amend the claim.

you would still have had to have paid the court fees regardless to it being a backdoor CCJ.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have not admitted that to any one.

The company I owed the money too had my change of address, they sent me paperwork and ID Card etc to my new address. 

Unfortunately their billing department never got the change of address, and I never got my final bills from them.

The ccj is not a ccj, now that I can see it on my laptop and not little phone screen, it is the claim form.

They state upon it "full particulars have been sent to the defendant" In fact they had not as I had no contact from anyone.

I am sorry I thought it was the CCJ itself. 

What if I ring the solicitors tomorrow and offer to pay,

will they accept,

can they accept and what happens to the process they are trying to go through.

What are they trying to achieve and what if I do not turn up and do not send in a defence.

I am not happy to pay the court fee and legal representative fee as I would have paid if I had known beforehand, but as I was unaware I could not.

Thankyou for your help so far it is very much appreciated

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thought it must only be a claimform.

please complete this then we will have the right information to  PROPERLY advise you...:whistle:

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I am at work at the mo, so do not have all the info available, but just wondered if I ring the solicitors and pay will they be able to stop the judgement going ahead and the will not need to go ahead with the hearing to get the stay lifted?

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they cant get a default judgement if you defend etc . it will cost you no more nor hurt you to PLEASE.......

please .....get that Q&A link done 

then we can help PROPERLY!!

you might not even owe anything

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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[if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us]

 

 

Which Court have you received the claim from ?  Northampton

 

MCOL Northampton N1 ?

Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ?

New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?

 

If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS)

 

 

Name of the Claimant ? Canal and River Trust

 

How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self

 

Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 16 May 2022 but has been stayed

Particulars of Claim

 

What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?

The claim is for £880 in respect for outstanding invoices dated between 1st April 2021 and 30th September 2021. Full particulars which have been delivered to the defendent. The claimant claims interest on the amount pursuant with the county court act 1984  and fees etc

 

What is the total value of the claim? £1079
 

Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?  NO
 

Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? I changed my address 11 months before in June 2020

Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? Yes but the invoicing department were not notified

Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No
 

When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? N/A No agreement though it was well after 2007 when I started working with them
 

Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? N/A
 

Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? not sure
 

Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Claimants solicitors DCA
 

Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? No, I was not aware of the debt at all
 

Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? No I was not aware of the debt
 

Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No
 

Why did you cease payments? Was not aware never received invoices as had moved address
 

What was the date of your last payment? N/A
 

Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No
 

Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No

 

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